Khajiit players: I need answers

Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:57 pm

Okay I have visited all of the holds except for Dawnstar. I haven't seen any Khajiit in the cities. Only in the guilds. Are all Khajiit barred from entering the holds or is it just the khajiit caravans? I haven't seen any Khajiit in the towns either.

If its a case of all Khajiit being barred from entering the holds/towns, then how can you justify playing as a Khajiit?

How can you not feel awkward roaming the cities and taking on quests knowing that your race is not supposed to be in there? What makes you the exception?
And before you say its because you are dragonborn, let's remember that almost nothing you do affects the game world. In other words, they don't care that you are dragonborn, thane, arch mage, nothing.

I really wanted to play as a Khajiit but I felt I had no choice but to scrap the character once I spoke to the caravans and got opinions on the Khajiit from various citizens.

I'm not even sure why they made them a playable race this time. It would have made more sense to make the Forsworn a playable race instead!
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:47 pm

How can you not feel awkward roaming the cities and taking on quests knowing that your race is not supposed to be in there?

Because I roam the city not only during the day, but also during the night, stealing everyone's Garlic, Elves Ear and Frost Mirram.

Oh and pelts. Any pelts do just fine.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:39 pm

The forsworn are bretons, not a race. Do you mean them as a playable faction?
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:28 pm

If I'm being honest, playing as any Mer or Beast is somewhat awkward. Iffy development choices, really.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:05 pm

Khajiit merchants aren't allowed in towns. So as long as you are the Dragonborn/thief/assassin/mage/mercenary/something else, you are free to enter. For the opinion towards Khajiit in Skyrim: I turn everyone offending me into a bunny (depending on my mood I roast them afterwards). For the foresworn-part: Well, if you don't like the general missing acceptance towards Khajiit, just think about what would happen as a foresworn. People don't really like them you know :wink:.

Edit: I only play beast races. Why? Don't know, makes it more interesting for me I guess...
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:36 pm

the forsworn is a faction and not a race, but as for the khajiit, I would assume that they prefer to stay out of the cities, to avoid getting in trouble.
seeing as whatever happens, a khajiit would almost always be blamed for it. you wouldnt go into town if you knew that everyone would talk down to you, and if someone were to start a fight, you'd be the one taken to jail no matter what happens. you going into town in the first place can be justified by whatever you see fit.

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like having to warn the jarl about the dragon attack
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:05 pm

The Forsworn are a race. They have the same ancestors as the Bretons but they are not Bretons. Imperials have the same ancestors as the Nords. Snow Elves and Ayleids have the same ancestors as the Altmer but they are all considered separate races.

Why are Khajiit discriminated so much in Skyrim anyway? In Cyrodiil there was no problem.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:44 pm

Why are Khajiit discriminated so much in Skyrim anyway? In Cyrodiil there was no problem.

I get the feeling that Nords are very protective of their territory and don't welcome outsiders, given the sour nature of the civil war. Khajiits and Argonians are probably treated the worst among other races seeing they were enslaved in Morrowind.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:56 pm

Could have swore I saw some in Solitude... but that was outside the gates I think.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:59 pm

Not to mention Kahjiit have no marry options. So not only do they get treated like [censored] in skyrim but they have to get treated like [censored] alone. QQ my poor kitty is lonely.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:32 am

I tried playing both a Khajiit and an Argonian and just couldn't do it this time around. No one recognizes your race, not even the Khajiit caravaneers once commented on a fellow khajiit. I WANTED to play an outcast race and see how everyone treated me differently. I got no difference at all. Outside of a few snide comments hurled by attacking bandits from time to time, playing a beast race to be "different" is non-existent in Skyrim.

I WANTED for people to make remarks to my character. I wanted to be treated like a second-class citizen. Alas.... Actual NPC interactions based on your character never made it into the game.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:45 am

Okay I have visited all of the holds except for Dawnstar. I haven't seen any Khajiit in the cities. Only in the guilds. Are all Khajiit barred from entering the holds or is it just the khajiit caravans? I haven't seen any Khajiit in the towns either.

If its a case of all Khajiit being barred from entering the holds/towns, then how can you justify playing as a Khajiit?

How can you not feel awkward roaming the cities and taking on quests knowing that your race is not supposed to be in there? What makes you the exception?
And before you say its because you are dragonborn, let's remember that almost nothing you do affects the game world. In other words, they don't care that you are dragonborn, thane, arch mage, nothing.

I really wanted to play as a Khajiit but I felt I had no choice but to scrap the character once I spoke to the caravans and got opinions on the Khajiit from various citizens.

I'm not even sure why they made them a playable race this time. It would have made more sense to make the Forsworn a playable race instead!

if nothing has an impact on the game, why would i have to justify it at all? if they don't care about dragonborn, archmage, etc. like you say, why should they care about me being kahjiit? i mean... nothing has an impact.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:47 pm

I tried playing both a Khajiit and an Argonian and just couldn't do it this time around. No one recognizes your race, not even the Khajiit caravaneers once commented on a fellow khajiit. I WANTED to play an outcast race and see how everyone treated me differently. I got no difference at all. Outside of a few snide comments hurled by attacking bandits from time to time, playing a beast race to be "different" is non-existent in Skyrim.

I WANTED for people to make remarks to my character. I wanted to be treated like a second-class citizen. Alas.... Actual NPC interactions based on your character never made it into the game.

I found that disappointing too. I thought the Khajiit caravans would be elated to see one of their own kind and maybe cut a deal or something, but nope, business as usual.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:06 pm

Why are Khajiit discriminated so much in Skyrim anyway? In Cyrodiil there was no problem.

I thought it was because they deal with drugs?
As for me, I don't care :biggrin: it's a game. I've always played as khajiit, not gonna change that now. I never expected the game to be 100% realistic anyway.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:57 pm

I tried playing both a Khajiit and an Argonian and just couldn't do it this time around. No one recognizes your race, not even the Khajiit caravaneers once commented on a fellow khajiit. I WANTED to play an outcast race and see how everyone treated me differently. I got no difference at all. Outside of a few snide comments hurled by attacking bandits from time to time, playing a beast race to be "different" is non-existent in Skyrim.

I WANTED for people to make remarks to my character. I wanted to be treated like a second-class citizen. Alas.... Actual NPC interactions based on your character never made it into the game.

Not completely true for Argonian's, i know that if you're an Argonian in windhelm other Argonians will greet you: "Welcome Egg-brother" "Marsh Friend" but i agree there should have been more interaction between npcs and your character, even after you complete the main quest, no one seems to care who you are. :(
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:00 pm

I thought it was because they deal with drugs?
As for me, I don't care :biggrin: it's a game. I've always played as khajiit, not gonna change that now. I never expected the game to be 100% realistic anyway.

I like to think, and this might be true in Elder Scrolls lore, that not all the Khajiit are drug running thieves. While moon sugar is part of their culture, I'm sure some are more 'civilized' than others.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:04 pm

Argonians will call you "marsh-friend" or "egg brother" if an Argonian.

Khajiit? Nothing at all.

They get the shaft.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:55 pm

Yeah it's pretty lame of Bethesda not to show any love for Kahjiit. :down:
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:33 pm

I don't justify anything; Skyrim treats all the heros about the same. If they'd retained racial differences, and not provided the smorgesboard, the game would be better.

So I'm a Kajit and walk where I want. The other weird one is the High Elf- we're fighting the fanatic hi elves, they are hated, yet there is no real reaction to the selection of hi elf as hero. At least the dialogue should be different. My son is a high elf and neither of us have seen any dialogue differences yet. you'd think the companions would have something to say about a cat and a hi elf.... Or how about a dragon born hi elf- that's really rubbing their noses in it, right? Yet nothing.

Skyrim just skips it.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:41 am

I am finding no problem with my Kajiit. As with anything, I think it comes down to how you play and more importantly RP.

My Kajiit is a thief, therefore he opperates mostly at night. When he does find himself in need of entering one of the cities, he only enters at sundown and never takes his cowl off. He has a strong dislike towards other races, mostly for the constant discrimination, and doesn't mind killing them at all :devil:

The only city he feels comfortable in is Riften. Seem like the only place they would be able to tollerate Kajiit, even though none are found inside the walls. I feel like the Kajiit don't really mind sleeping outside the gates of cities either, more comfortable out under the stars than in an Inn. My Kajiit definately prefers to sleep outside city walls and hardly ever sleeps at an Inn.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:49 pm

Khajiit merchants aren't allowed in towns. So as long as you are the Dragonborn/thief/assassin/mage/mercenary/something else, you are free to enter. For the opinion towards Khajiit in Skyrim: I turn everyone offending me into a bunny (depending on my mood I roast them afterwards). For the foresworn-part: Well, if you don't like the general missing acceptance towards Khajiit, just think about what would happen as a foresworn. People don't really like them you know :wink:.

Edit: I only play beast races. Why? Don't know, makes it more interesting for me I guess...
The guards know the Khajiit traders work as fences (minor spoiler) other Khajiit has no problem but they are rare.

Pretty natural, an intelligent race who has not hit each others heads with warhammers for generations would prefer better climate.
Not so many Khajiit in Bruma either, one in the mage guild and perhaps one other.

It's so cold an no cloth to cower my tail, have I been an Argonian I would changed my name to frozen tail. Also all headgear flatten my ears painfully, written letters home and warned them about this place.

No I can not go back again, long story involving an dwemer airship, the daughter of the Thalmor ambassador, the chicken and the wabbajack, ask M'aiq abut it, his father was also involved, no his father was not named M'aiq.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:54 am

I tried playing both a Khajiit and an Argonian and just couldn't do it this time around. No one recognizes your race, not even the Khajiit caravaneers once commented on a fellow khajiit. I WANTED to play an outcast race and see how everyone treated me differently. I got no difference at all. Outside of a few snide comments hurled by attacking bandits from time to time, playing a beast race to be "different" is non-existent in Skyrim.

I WANTED for people to make remarks to my character. I wanted to be treated like a second-class citizen. Alas.... Actual NPC interactions based on your character never made it into the game.

Same here. I played as an Orc and was eagerly awaiting my first conversation with another Orc. I was expecting it to be something like: "Hail fellow Orsimer! What brings you Skyrim? It good to see a familiar face. You should join us in the Strongholds. We need to stick together!" No no no, all he wanted to do was call me a milk drinker and sell me skooma. WTF :down:

From what you say, it sounds like its much of the same playing a Khajiit. I thought the caravan would love you, take you in, rejoice, etc etc. Now you say they act just the same as if you were a Nord? Wow, that is lame.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:19 pm

The guards know the Khajiit traders work as fences (minor spoiler) other Khajiit has no problem but they are rare.

That makes little sense. The guards are all in the Thieves Guild's pocket anyway, so why should they have a problem with fences?
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:11 am

I tried playing both a Khajiit and an Argonian and just couldn't do it this time around. No one recognizes your race, not even the Khajiit caravaneers once commented on a fellow khajiit. I WANTED to play an outcast race and see how everyone treated me differently. I got no difference at all. Outside of a few snide comments hurled by attacking bandits from time to time, playing a beast race to be "different" is non-existent in Skyrim. I WANTED for people to make remarks to my character. I wanted to be treated like a second-class citizen. Alas.... Actual NPC interactions based on your character never made it into the game.
Yeah I thought the dialogue options would be more like how the khajiit caravans speak, 'warm sands', 'this one' etc. But nothing. Major let down.


if nothing has an impact on the game, why would i have to justify it at all? if they don't care about dragonborn, archmage, etc. like you say, why should they care about me being kahjiit? i mean... nothing has an impact.
Good point and you are right there. Nothing needs to be justified in that case. I guess I was thinking more from RP perspective how would you justify it?


I like to think, and this might be true in Elder Scrolls lore, that not all the Khajiit are drug running thieves. While moon sugar is part of their culture, I'm sure some are more 'civilized' than others.
I think I read somewhere that Khajiit do not experience its effects as potently as the other races too.


I am finding no problem with my Kajiit. As with anything, I think it comes down to how you play and more importantly RP. My Kajiit is a thief, therefore he opperates mostly at night. When he does find himself in need of entering one of the cities, he only enters at sundown and never takes his cowl off. He has a strong dislike towards other races, mostly for the constant discrimination, and doesn't mind killing them at all :devil: The only city he feels comfortable in is Riften. Seem like the only place they would be able to tollerate Kajiit, even though none are found inside the walls. I feel like the Kajiit don't really mind sleeping outside the gates of cities either, more comfortable out under the stars than in an Inn. My Kajiit definately prefers to sleep outside city walls and hardly ever sleeps at an Inn.
Well I suppose its not too difficult to RP the stereotype and be what they say you are. But can anyone think of any other reason why your character could be the only one allowed into cities asides from being a thief or dragonborn?

I really think Bethesda let down the Khajiit this time. More so than the other races. Argonian or High Elf might feel weird to play but they made Khajiit feel wrong to play all together.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:50 am

Same here. I played as an Orc and was eagerly awaiting my first conversation with another Orc. I was expecting it to be something like: "Hail fellow Orsimer! What brings you Skyrim? It good to see a familiar face. You should join us in the Strongholds.
I tried playing both a Khajiit and an Argonian and just couldn't do it this time around. No one recognizes your race, not even the Khajiit caravaneers once commented on a fellow khajiit. I WANTED to play an outcast race and see how everyone treated me differently. I got no difference at all. Outside of a few snide comments hurled by attacking bandits from time to time, playing a beast race to be "different" is non-existent in Skyrim.

Orsimer get free acces to orc stronghold, i've read that other race have to do a quest to enter any orc stronghold.
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