So. I used to try drawing when I was younger, but I never got any better at it [this could be due to the fact I hate the attention span of a fly on crack]. I ended up trying to draw in highschool as well when I took grade 10 art [they put me in grade 10 art when I went into grade 9... don't ask me why], and I didn't enjoy it. Probably because the basic's had already been taught in grade 9, so I was going into this blind. Coupled with my art teacher who was quite possibly part of Hitler's regime, I ended up hating art. When we got to do something a bit more creative, I always got flagged for my art being 'inappropriate' or it wasn't in the 'guidelines' of what she wanted.

Needless to say, I just said screw it. I was being forced into drawing stuff I didn't want to draw. And was being reprimanded for drawing stuff I wanted to draw [got suspended twice for art that was full of innuendo's].

This basically made me quit ever trying to draw again.

Now there is a girl I met.... erm... 5 years ago now I think, on a game who added me to her MSN, and we've been friends ever since. And she is an artist. Everything she draws I think is absolutely awesome, and this kind of lately got me inspired to start trying to draw again. She tends to draw alot of Manga // anime inspired stuff, which is what I am starting with myself. I'v been working on eyes, mouths, hair and head-shape for the past few days now, and I think it's starting to show.

At first it was just drawing eyes on paper. Then drawing eyes on a basic head-frame. Then trying to make the eyes look better, then trying to add other features [like hair].

I'v now gotten to the point I can draw a full face with hair, however I feel like I am stuck in a dead-end because my heads always turn out the same. They feel long, the eyes feel to close together, and the hair is all messed up. was all messed up until I realized "Wait a second. More lines don't make hair look better."

I do feel like I have gotten lots better at doing it from when I started [I couldn't even draw eyes when I started....]. But now I am stuck trying to figure out how to draw facial structures from multiple perspectives. It's haaard.

But I'ma do it! Why? Because I don't have Hitler sitting here telling me i'm not allowed to ^^

Anime isn't art Shouldn't this be in the http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1071734-esf-artistry-thread/

According to your post anime != art therefore

{if (anime = art)goto :threadelsegoto :stayhere}

^^

I dub thee, NinjaFish, Threadmaker! For the making of many threads.

What can I say. I'm bored :sadvaultboy:

http://xkcd.com/292/

While I was typing it, I was TOTALLY expecting someone to make a comment about goto bahaha

I'm majoring in 3D Animation, and the first few classes in the major are "foundation" classes where you need to learn to draw, and draw properly. Figure drawing, perspective drawing, anatomy drawing, anolysis of form, and all that time intensive stuff. And all teachers pretty much despise any drawing of manga and anime. Tons of people come to this school thinking that they're budding artists because they know how to draw manga characters and their friends on the internet say they're great. Once they come to this school and realize that wont fly, it's a pretty big shock to the system. I knew a friend of a friend who had a hell of a lot of trouble forcing herself to learn how to stop drawing eyes in the wrong proportion to the head, as she was so used to drawing manga. If you're trying to teach yourself to draw, teaching yourself how to draw manga is completely detrimental and will only serve to stunt your growth if you decide to draw "real" stuff in the future. My suggestion is to learn perspective drawing. It's extremely time consuming but the benefit is that you mostly don't draw freehand, meaning that absolutely anyone who can hold a ruler and learn perspective can draw amazing things (think concept art). And even organic objects aren't entirely freehand as you need to set up the perspective first. Of the drawing styles that I had to learn in order to learn animation, it's probably my favorite.

Only problem is I haven't found any tutorials or anything online for drawing perspective. So at the moment, i'm just kinda... winging it.

Batten down the hatches!







http://www.wikihow.com/Draw-Perspective


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Well I can draw landscape from a perspective. I'v got a small book that teaches that. More or less need to learn perspective drawing of faces.

Absolute nonsense. I started with manga and it taught me the very basics of drawing the human figure. I was never "stunted" by doing it. It only helped me develop. Obviously, I don't draw manga anymore (haven't for years), but you can still notice some basics I learned while doing it in some of my drawings today.

I'm disappointed that you didn't point out it should be ==.

http://www.bookdepository.com/book/9781848375369/The-Complete-Book-of-Drawing by Barrington Barber is supposed to be very good, covering just about everything, and being useful for the basics through to an intermediate level. It does cost money, but its only half that of a new game (or a quarter, in some regions), and will last longer, develop a useful skill, and be usable anywhere you're willing to lug it (plus, a physical resource has noticeable advantages over the internet when it comes to things like drawing).

The code wouldn't even compile in any language I know that supports goto.

It all just proves that using goto always produces bad code.

Well Expresate, I've gotta say I'm more inclined to believe the experienced, professional artists my school hired to teach those foundations classes, than the single experience that you had. Drawing manga takes a lot of skill, but learning how to draw it instead of simply learning how to draw a realistic human figure is counter-intuitive. The fact that you managed to learn the basics while drawing manga doesn't mean it was the best way to learn those basics, and, as I said, if you draw manga characters and nothing but manga characters, it can be difficult to break that habit and learn the correct way to draw the human body. I went through these classes, and I saw and heard of people having these difficulties, so again I'm more inclined to believe what I saw in a college than what you're telling me your experience outside of it was like.

"teaching yourself how to draw manga is completely detrimental and will only serve to stunt your growth if you decide to draw "real" stuff in the future. "

But you're implying that's the only possible outcome. That comes off as "it's pretty much guaranteed to happen." I also know I'm not the only one who started with manga.

He didn't even say he wanted a career in art. He's picking up drawing because he was inspired by a girl he knows. A girl who draws with manga.

EDIT: But of course you have to pay attention to realism along with it. Manga is pretty bad on it's own, so, maybe you're right.

If you want to learn to draw, my advice is to go onto deviantart and look up some tutorials. There are piles of them on just about anything you can think of. A lot of good artists on deviantart post tutorials on how they did one of their pieces, and they can be very useful.

Also you can use Youtube.

And, what is up with everyone drawing manga now'a'days? -_-

I was never really a fan of manga/anime. I just don't like it visually in general but its an easy art style to learn for a beginner.

Manga is art, I wouldn′t be surprised if over half of all drawn art in the world is Manga style art. My advice is just to keep indulging in whatever it is that keeps you inspired to continue on. Practice makes (near) perfect and at least with myself with any skill I′ve ever tried to acquire if I′ve been able to do it with the proper motivation and if I′ve not been able to do it, then it has been because of a lack of motivation.

Am ATM trying to learn a skill but lacking the motivation My envy goes out to you.

Nipponophilia, perhaps?

Probably because, you know. It's missing... everything?
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And everything else?
You REALLY think I was sitting here to compile real code? Really? WOW.

"teaching yourself how to draw manga is completely detrimental and will only serve to stunt your growth if you decide to draw "real" stuff in the future. "

But you're implying that's the only possible outcome. That comes off as "it's pretty much guaranteed to happen." I also know I'm not the only one who started with manga.

He didn't even say he wanted a career in art. He's picking up drawing because he was inspired by a girl he knows. A girl who draws with manga.

EDIT: But of course you have to pay attention to realism along with it. Manga is pretty bad on it's own, so, maybe you're right.

You basically hit the nail on the head. I am NOT getting a career in this. I don't even ever plan on getting super amazing at it. But I really like the style of sketching something out rough, and adding color to specific portions [i.e, a black and white girl sketched out and outlines in black, with the eyes being the only color].

I'm doing it because I like how it looks.

Manga is art, I wouldn′t be surprised if over half of all drawn art in the world is Manga style art. My advice is just to keep indulging in whatever it is that keeps you inspired to continue on. Practice makes (near) perfect and at least with myself with any skill I′ve ever tried to acquire if I′ve been able to do it with the proper motivation and if I′ve not been able to do it, then it has been because of a lack of motivation.

Am ATM trying to learn a skill but lacking the motivation My envy goes out to you.

It's what I plan on doing! I am definitely glad I got some motivation [and she even helps me with some tips when I need it], so I am enjoying just sitting down and drawing out, trying to see what comes of it!

My stance was if you're going to learn it, learn it right. But if you have no interest, and never will have interest, in drawing any human figures outside of manga style, then my stance doesn't apply. No point in learning how to do something one way if you don't intend to ever do it that way.

So you're implying that there's a "correct way" and an "incorrect way" to draw? That's hardly artistic. No matter what teachers might tell you, there is no "correct" way to draw, as insinuating that there is defies the whole point of art. Because if that's the case, http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll294/SammySain/Psychonauts-Characters.jpg would never have existed.

Take it from me, I had YEARS of art, most at the college level, and I can assure you that teachers only teach realism in order to A: have an easier time grading projects and B: to get the hardest part of art (drawing realism) out of the way.

Learning to draw manga first won't hinder your learning to draw realistically later. If anything, it will help you to develop your own style, and having your own style goes a long way towards getting to the point that you can charge upwards of $100 USD per commission, like some users on FurAffinity do. It also doesn't matter because most http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lghsdj7Eit1qgb1o5o1_500.jpg looks similar to manga/comic book art anyway, assuming that's the field you're going into.

Edit: And CLEARLY that link proves you don't need any sense of proportion what so ever.

Gotta love Miranda, you... Very... Large... Woman you.

Woo. I like your post ^^.
Thanks alot. I won't try to do realistic stuff first. I'll learn to draw perspective real faces [just to learn how to draw faces from different perspectives], then move right back to manga ^^