Before I start my little rant, let me please make it clear that I really love this game and this is the only thing that honestly bugs me about it.
Does anyone else feel this? Even in the very beginning where Old Pete told me in Goodsprings about Caesar's Legion I was determined my guy was going to be a fanatic towards Caesar. Well, 21 levels later, this is getting a little rediculous. I have come across two, TWO Caesar's legion quest, one where I went to Mojave Outpost and told everyone about the Legion and one where I slaughtered an entire CAMP of NCR, and after doing that I'm still neutral with the Legion. Of course, there are at the very least 10 heavily populated camps and hubs, and at the very least 30 quests. They control the vast majority of the map, and there are likely hundreds and hundreds of NCR NPC's to maybe dozens of Legion ones. However, throughout the game, it is well established that the Legion is a massive looming force threatening to dominate everyone in their paths, and it was established way before the game was released that the two primary factions were the New California Republic and Caesar's Legion. This is entirely like what Bethesda did in Fallout 3, which is when the vast majority of quests associated with the Brotherhood and you were even forced to help them to compel the main quest, and only at the very end are you allowed to actually help the Enclave.
Unless Obsidian somehow manages to bring about a whole wave of Legion quests, I'm honestly really disappointed towards the bias of this game, and it's really the only thing I can't overcome in this game. I am just hoping a mod comes along (like what had to be done in Fallout 3 for the Enclave) that allows me much more freedom to actually choose a side in a war that is one of the biggest aspects of the game.

It does let you side with the Legion, but there is definitely less quests for them, unfortunately. The lack of Legion presence makes sense given the situation, but I wish they expanded on the Legion that was there.

Fully agree.
Legion has way too little to do in this game.
I don't care if it's on the west side of the river, it would mean even more stuff to do really.
Infiltration quests, sabotage quests, putting high ranking NCR members on court marshal by framing them.
Tons of stuff could have been done for the Legion even if they only have 3 major camps.
But instead we have the game always poking us in the head and whispering to our ears to help the NCR.

And not only isn't there enough sidequests but also NPC's to talk to.
There's like, what? A dozen named Legion NPC's?

And then we have Ulysses, the only Legion companion, cut.
The only true legion companion we were suppose to get was cut from the game.

I really hope they have a big DLC that fleshes out the Legion.

It's driving me nuts about how they could make such a cool faction and make it such a huge part of the plot both present and past and give you so little involvement in it. I mean, they had this whole system and all of these different armor types and every made out, and so little quests for it.

I never felt compelled to help the NCR, considering the large amount of people in the game that do not want them to take control of the area. I felt more pressured into joining House or Yes Man, and I personally believe the solo route might be the best option for the Vegas area (this is, of course, an assumption. I haven't actually completed if with him yet). Also, Ulysses was confirmed to be a Legion companion?

Did you get the CE?
In the card deck the entire... Clover(?) set, from Two to Ace are all Legion members, and Ulysses was on those cards.

Here's a picture of the entire clover set: http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/8021/dsc02341v.jpg

It's not good quality but everyone there are Legion members.
Cato is a trader for the legion.
Siri on the other hand I have no idea who it is.
Neither do I know who the hell Canyon Runner is. Probably another cut character, I haven't found him.

Yes they're a tad unrepresented first playthrough I PO'd them off without any clue..
It's funny I wiped out every NCR base and was liked by them by the end, and helped the legion in every sense untill I "worked" against them on one MQ part by then I thought $%￡" it and killed all of them too.

I think this has to do with wanting you to follow the route to NV asap to get a feel for whats going on before picking sides, but that really just shows soooo many nice friendly NCR just serving or the sake of there families safety, while the "grey" NCR money men that we all should hate are not involved in any way.

At least this is my impression I'm working with the NCR atm, every NCR on the map helped, apart from vegas strip and what I take / hope is the MQ's grey factor parts.

No, I didn't. That's interesting. Apparently he had a lot of main quest tie-ins, I wonder if that would have involved optionally swaying him to whatever side you take if it isn't Legion. It's a shame that he had to be cut, especially because he was written by Chris Avellone.

Would have been nice to have a whole part of the map on the east side of the Colorado, a legion town and some bases, stuff like that.

The game would have a whole different flavor if the dam was in the middle of the map, and you had the Legion and the NCR on opposite sides of the river, with a massive "control point" style campaign between the two factions that led to a climatic showdown at the dam. But the game is clearly "Fallout: New Vegas", so you have to have the city in there, which pushes the map too far west to really see what the Legion is doing over there on the other side of the river. The whole inter-faction warfare thing is basically tangential to the fate of the city.

Are there even Legion towns? Just towns where people just every day walk along and lead normal lives? I would wonder what they do differently from the NCR, I do know that traders for example have to give a large portion of their earnings to the Legion but their roads are always safe. Do you think they have massive taxes, or maybe some "rituals" they have to perform to live under Caesar's protection?

Just saw this, Canyon Runner is a Legion NPC I encountered just today who is part of the shortest quest I've seen, he's just the "slavemaster" of Cottonwood Cove and you can pay him some caps to free some slaves, and when you pay him it starts the quest and you just walk into the quest, initiate dialogue and free the slaves and end the quest. I myself was wondering why he was named such, since his name is so different from other legionnaires and he seemed more... worked on than others? He sounded like he had a different voice actor than the average Legionnaire.

Who knows.
IMO it seems like they didn't work enough on Legion and put too much focus on other parts and as the deadline drew near they had to finish up what they had which resulted in so little for the Legion.

Fallout 3 was the same way, huge bias to the "Good" side.

It really is disappointing, especially to include things to the main quest like this, it seems like they just assumed people would mostly support the NCR even though they definitely went out of their way to make it seem like a flawed organization.
I also just found out that Caesar's Legion controls much of the 4 Commonwealth States and most if not all of Arizona, and apparently able bodied men almost always become Legionnaires. That's one hell of a big army.

My real issue is that chosing legion cuts you off from so much important content.

Half the trading areas on the map become hostile, you lose access to the Mojave Outpost, to the Crimson Caravans, ect. You lose access to 2 companions at the least in the course of their quest chain, including the best in the game quite early on.

The only practical way to get very far in a legion playthrough is to play through half the game first and then go to the legion you can't follow the quest chain naturally.

*Walks out of vault in F3*
*Heads to first town around*
*Is given option to nuke said town and receive money and a rather nice place to live because of it*


Sooo... bias towards?

The latter part is very true, but I don't see what you mean by losing access to the Mojave Outpost and Crimson Caravan, i'm not altogether sure why (it was probably a good idea in the end, when they realized how such a huge portion of the game is spent in and around NCR) but they make it so that NCR troops never attack you one way or another, so you're never cut off from bases like the Outpost and the Crimson Caravan doesn't really do anything, I think

Kill the bigots or help the poor ghouls.
Help the slaves or help the raiders kill them.
Help slavers get slaves or help Megaton with it's metal scrap collection.
Assassinate 5 people or talk to them and convince them to hand over their keys.
Turn over an escaped android or keep his secret.
Yeah it has some.

I believe (in fact i'm almost sure) by the "good" side he was saying BoS, in which he's entirely right. At least in FO3 the Brotherhood is pretty badass, the NCR is super lame in NV.

You did not just take pity on Roy Phillips!

I agree. im not a huge legion supporter, but i wish they had more to do. because it is really hard to get motivating into doing a CL playthrough.

there was only 1 real CL colony (that i have found so far) and it was the Fort (i bunch Cottenwood Cove into "the fort" because its basically one huge area)

i wish there had been a couple more towns that were legion occupied. (i was lead to assumed that the town was under legion control, not totally destroyed by them.)

i also wish that there were a couple more places that showed the civilian side of the Legion controlled areas, and more quests that showed the legion in a positive light.

If I go for a total NCR playthrough I bet I could get quadruple the hours I would put into a total CL playthrough. That is way too much.
I don't know about the last part.. they are more or less established as the "bad" guys, unlike in FO3 where the Enclave and BoS were kinda shades of grey.

I do.
Poor melty-face just needs some love and the evil humans won't let him use their clean faucets and let him wear a fancy suit.

Enclave- lets Genocide the [censored] out of everyone, here put this in chemical in the water. :flame:
BOS- lets be kind to everyone, Purify the water :angel:

Shades of gray huh.

at least the NCR arent made out to be saints