Ok so I am new here, and I am a TES fan. I came here because I love the TES games *been a fan since MW, I have played all of them now though, Daggerfall is amazing* and something just really irks me reading these forums.

I keep seeing these huge topics about how Blacksmithing, Alchemy, and Enchanting are. I also keep seeing threads with people getting really, really upset over this, saying how we can become overpowered in Skyrim and how that is just not TES and that's not right and it needs to be nerfed.

I gotta ask.

What are you people on? Have NONE of you played ANY of the previous TES games lol? Since when is being overpowered in a single player game a bad thing, considering the fact that it is YOUR choice that makes you OP? You can either choose to use it or not. It is YOUR choice. You can level a character up to 50 without making absurdly powerful potions and using them or making your weapons legendary if you don't want to.

Guess what? If you got an Ebony Ingot and made your Daedric Greatsword Legendary, guess what? *brace yourself* You did that. You did. The game didn't, you did.

Guess what? If you abuse the mudcrab merchant in MW and then train skills infinitely and then steal soul gems to make more money and keep training..you did it? That's your choice. The game didn't, you did.

My next point is this: Since when is being overpowered in TES games a new thing? My level 84 Nord Warrior on the XBOX version of Morrowind will literally one shot all enemies with the difficulty slider full to the right at max. I can actually kill Vivec without using the arrows from Bloodmoon. That's uh...OP?

My level 52 Nord Warrior (I like Nords >_>) in Oblivion one shots ALL enemies with his Nerveshatterer from SI and full set of that armor, I can't remember what it's called. The crafted armor from SI. It's OP. I am OP. I can one shot all enemies. Last time I checked, that's OP?

But no one complained about the OP'ness of Morrowind or Oblivion..yet..now there are just so many people upset over this? I mean, really? What's the problem?

It's ok to be OP in MW and OB, but come Skyrim..that all of the sudden is an issue LOL? Someone, please explain this absurdity rampant on these forums.

There is no need to try and zing people who you disagree with.

And in Morrowind and Oblvion you got OP through combat (and training if you had gold, which you had to deliberately do) whereas in Skyrim you get OP by practicing a skill.

Whilst I agree it takes grinding (I don't see how that's fun but nevermind) you can see why people make a distinction.

The people saying the Dragonborn is OP aren't saying it because they believe it. They're saying it just to complain about Skyrim and to feel nostalgia over Morrowind.

There are other, legitimate, complaints about Skyrim yet they don't get as much attention as the grinders complaining about being OP.

I truly don't see why people make a distinction, because it's YOUR CHOICE. You can either do it, or not.

If you made a potion that increases smithing and enchanted gear that increases smithing and then uses Blacksmithing to forge your Daedric Sword to do 3094834 damage, guess what?

You did all of that.

And in MW, I got OP by doing nothing but abusing the mudcrab merchant and training. That isn't hard, and it doesn't take long, as making money in MW without cheating is quite simple. How is that ANY different from Skyrim?

You did, and to be honest I agree with you, but in Morrowind you got OP by playing the game, wheras in Skyrim you get OP in a minigame.

What about the assassin route where you become hilariously overpowered from investing in a single perk?

I think I edited my post before you quoted it, I made the point that no, I did not get OP in combat in MW, I got OP in about 5 hours abusing the merchant and infinite training. Yet no one likes to bring that up against the holy and sacred Morrowind, which yes I love the game, but to say it's not flawed is silly.

@Tworock, which perk is that? Is it a perk that requires you to have an archery or sneak skill of..70 or higher?

I don't know if i have ever been OP in Oblivion without serious dedication to efficient levelling. My complaint was always that to just casually enjoy the game you had to move the difficulty slider down, otherwise is takes 50 swings from a steel sword to fell one stupid scamp. After two scamps your sword's health was poor and you had to repair it fast.

It is pretty much exactly the same, but in Morrowind you could go up in those attributes through normal combat, in Skyrim you can't invest in smithing without becoming OP.

In Morrowind you can steal a few exensive soul gems from mages guild (one is 60000) and sell to the creeper, by trading, repeating, etc. then just train. Same thing. Its up to the player to not be 'cheap'.

What about investing perks in Smithing makes you inherently OP? All that allows you to do is craft armor. It doesn't force you to use the table or grindstone.

And if you're referring about leveling, well, yes, increasing your smithing increases your level. But let's be honest, anyone who abuses smithing to level 17 times to get 100 smithing and levels nothing else is pretty inept, as that would level enemies with you and you'd be left with all skills at 20 and smithing at 100 and get one shot by Skeevers. So that's again, a choice that you either make or do not make.

@matteo78 that's exactly my point. There are "cheap" things in both games, both ways to become OP. It's up to YOU if you want to do them or not. Neither game makes you do ANYTHING, it's a choice.

Becoming OP without even trying is very different from becoming OP by extensively exploiting things.

in marrowind you became op just be staring too long at a stilt strider

I agree fully. People complain because beth didn't set parental controls for everyone and left the option to become OP..as you've said it's a choice to play that way just like i choose to wear robes and not smith weapons.
People act like becoming OP is inevitable but it's so easy to choose not to be...don't max perks or enchant/smith exploit and beef up everything you wear/use and you'll find the game to be alot more challenging and fun

actually there is a few things I do think is a bit overboard where simply just not taking it is not a fix like when I made my knife wielding sneaky assassin. That x15 is a huge deal where most things just die in one hit add in the DB gloves that make sneak attacks with a dagger x30 is well you do not just kill the guy you kill his ghost as well all in one hit.

The 30x damage is a perk, and a item choice.

CHOICE. You choose to pick that. You don't have to. I fail to see your point, no offense.

Nerevar= God killer
CoC= Destined to become a daedric god
Dragonborn eats dragon souls for breakfast brunch lunch dinner and as midnight snacks. Also defeats the first born of the most powerful Aedric god.

Does anyone other than I believe that you are meant to become severely overpowered in TES games?

I'm pretty sure that using Alchemy to continually make larger and larger Int potions and then any kind of other potion at infinite power, would also be considered "in a minigame". By you, at least.



Apparently, I played Skyrim "wrong". Because I leveled Smithing, and put perks into it, and didn't "become OP" "without even trying".

Odd.

We are supposed to have the potential to become powerful, but not outright become a god. I mean, in theory if we were, then what's stopping our upstart character from going around destroying the entire universe? There should always be at least some form of internal consistency.

Dragons are seen as world eaters and you eat dragons…

No, that is one dragon specifically, that does not even count because it is more of a pseudo-deity. And we don't even get to eat that one anyways. Our character has the soul of a dragon but the body of a mortal, so in theory any random dragon should be more or less our equal in potential.

As Jon Battle-Born said:

"Do you know what Skyrim's problem is these days? Everyone is obcessed with complaining."

1- Moaning about a skill/game/mechanic is one thing, moaning about someone moaning is another. I find first one more reasonable.
2- Just because something (arguabe) good/bad thing was implemented in elder series doesn't make a rule it MUST be carried to next series.
3- Just because we choose to be very OP or not doesn't mean it should be in game or not. Say if there is a -KILL- spell that instantly kills anything at once, and you don't use it becasue its your choose, it would still be stupid to have in game, either you choose to use it or not.
4- What about people who want to smith/enchant/alchemy but still want game to be challnging in master diffclty ?

This is somewhat a difficult thing to argue. I would say that being dragonborn automatically makes you better than mere mortal even without the dragon souls. Tiber Septim and Ramen come to mind as proof but there are others. You would say that there could be hundreds of Dragonborn out there that just don’t know they are dragonborn living out their average lives as bothersome omnipotent guards and I would have little to dispute it. Only that the blades have some means to recognize the dragonborn and they were searching for one when the Martin fell and failed to find one, but that is pretty weak. So let’s try another approach.

Dragons do not understand mortality or so they say, there is also no dialog or text stating that a dragon can kill a dragon. As far as we know, only a dragonborn can kill a dragon. Something that is created to kill the children of the most powerful Aedric deity has to be pretty high up on the food chain. So high that it should be able to nibble on the feet of whoever is on the top IMO.