Non-Alcoholic Drinks.

Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:31 am

If you get milk, a Nord should randomly appear, say 'Milk drinker!' then dissappear. Your weapon damage is reduced by 10% for being such a [censored], you snowbacked milkdrinker!

Actually, that's another phrase I didn't understand, 'snowbacked'. My mind went somewhere sixual, but that's probably neither here nor there.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:17 am

True there's no way to settle a dispute over the cleanliness of Skyrim's drinking water really.

How would you feel about the skin idea though ? Surely a small, running stream way out in the wilderness would be clean enough would it not ? Like I said I've drank out of such a stream before and I was fine, I'm certain hunters in that particular time period would have done so as well.

Actually, there is a pretty easy way. You look at the game world and notice that they really don't drink much water. That should tell you a lot about it.

You could just sit there and claim it's an omission on the part of the devs, or you could take it at face value and realize that there's probably a good reason they don't drink much water.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:10 am

True there's no way to settle a dispute over the cleanliness of Skyrim's drinking water really.

How would you feel about the skin idea though ? Surely a small, running stream way out in the wilderness would be clean enough would it not ? Like I said I've drank out of such a stream before and I was fine, I'm certain hunters in that particular time period would have done so as well.
Absolutely, as I think I said if you were way out in the wilderness at a cold stream high up then yeah you'd get away with it. In general though the people who would benefit from that would be those who lived on the fringes of society. In any culture where people gather in groups and live, any water would be pretty much [censored] fairly sharpish because we are at heart fairly grubby individuals.
It's not that i even disagree with you actually it's just I can't fully agree with you.
If that makes sense? :D
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:00 am

Actually, there is a pretty easy way. You look at the game world and notice that they really don't drink much water. That should tell you a lot about it.

You could just sit there and claim it's an omission on the part of the devs, or you could take it at face value and realize that there's probably a good reason they don't drink much water.


But that reasoning could be used to prove anything. That people in Skyrim have no bladders etc. etc.
Just because something isn't added into the game does not prove something doesn't exist on Nirn. I'm sure there are books describing people drinking water and stuff.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:18 am

But that reasoning could be used to prove anything. That people in Skyrim have no bladders etc. etc.
No, that's argument ad absurdam - they drink ale and mead. It's NOT that they don't drink, it's just that they drink very specific and actually historically accurate things.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:06 am

But they never actually do the toilet.. Which would suggest people in Nirn do not have bladders by that reasoning. And that children were immortal (which they aren't actually, they die in books and such). And that some people in Skyrim could go for years without eating, drinking or moving (AI bugs usually).
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:48 pm

But they never actually do the toilet.. Which would suggest people in Nirn do not have bladders by that reasoning. And that children were immortal (which they aren't actually, they die in books and such). And that some people in Skyrim could go for years without eating, drinking or moving (AI bugs usually).

Actually, the fact that there are bathrooms everywhere (if you know what you're looking at) says that they do have bladders.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:21 am

No it says the have bathrooms, the fact they don't use them suggests they don't. You stated that because people drank ale etc. in the game and water was not sold it meant people did not drink water due to bacteria within it (or something along those lines) which is a preposterous statement. To say people don't use bathrooms on Nirn simply because they don't in the game (for obvious reasons) is also preposterous. Children obviously must drink milk and water on Nirn, they might not in the game, but they still do if you understand me.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:49 pm

I can't trust a milk-drinker.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:15 am

I don't think the water in Skyrim would need purified. Think of all the running waterfalls, fresh, clean, ice cold water.

Water always needs to be purified before drinking. No matter the climate or speed of the current it's traveling, parasites and bacteria are always present.

Even unfiltered milk isn't is safe as most people assume.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:46 pm

No it says the have bathrooms, the fact they don't use them suggests they don't. You stated that because people drank ale etc. in the game and water was not sold it meant people did not drink water due to bacteria within it (or something along those lines) which is a preposterous statement. To say people don't use bathrooms on Nirn simply because they don't in the game (for obvious reasons) is also preposterous. Children obviously must drink milk and water on Nirn, they might not in the game, but they still do if you understand me.
1. The evidence of bathroom facilities implies they use bathrooms. Unless - (like birds) - everyone on Nirn has one single orifice for passing waste it's reasonable to assume that they have - like us - an anus for solids, and a urethra for liquids.
2. It's very likely that people would not drink water because it would make them sick. They would drink mead and ale because it did not make them sick. This is implied in the game world with a reasonable degree of clarity.
3. One of your statements appears to contradict another of your statements re bathrooms.
4. Whilst undoubtedly children up to a certain age were svckled at the teat, they is no evidence to suggest that they would have been given water. - (in fact it is a fact that IRL children were also given beer to drink rather than water).

What you have to realise is that social mores regarding beer were not the same in earlier and indeed are not the same in many cultures in the present time.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:32 am

No it's not implied in the game world. Other than the fact people don't drink water. But like I said people don't physically use the bathroom in Skyrim either, does that mean they don't have bladders

They have bathrooms so that means they use them ? They have water so that means they drink it ?

You're contradicting yourself as well.

Find me an in-game book that states people drink mead and ale because water is diseased, I'm certain I've read books where people have drank water.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:28 pm

Children obviously must drink milk and water on Nirn, they might not in the game, but they still do if you understand me.
Why must people post falsities as "obvious" facts? In the middle ages even children would have had beer or mead to drink.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:14 pm

1. The evidence of bathroom facilities implies they use bathrooms. Unless - (like birds) - everyone on Nirn has one single orifice for passing waste it's reasonable to assume that they have - like us - an anus for solids, and a urethra for liquids.
2. It's very likely that people would not drink water because it would make them sick. They would drink mead and ale because it did not make them sick. This is implied in the game world with a reasonable degree of clarity.
3. One of your statements appears to contradict another of your statements re bathrooms.
4. Whilst undoubtedly children up to a certain age were svckled at the teat, they is no evidence to suggest that they would have been given water. - (in fact it is a fact that IRL children were also given beer to drink rather than water).

What you have to realise is that social mores regarding beer were not the same in earlier and indeed are not the same in many cultures in the present time.

Let us not forget that most beer was highly diluted for general consumption. No town or settlement would have lasted for very long had everyone been hammered all the time.

Higher proof alcohol wasn't consumed all that often, except during celebrations and for those winding down after full day of work. Children, of course, never got the higher alcohol content.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:29 am

The majority of populations during the time in which Skyrim is set, IRL, would have drunk beer. Certainly in settlements. External to settlements where fresh (FRESH) water was available they may well have drunk that, yes.

And yes beer is made from water, but relatively speaking the process of fermentation would have made it cleaner than most readily available sources of water within settlements, that were not on flowing waterways.
http://www.middle-ages.org.uk/middle-ages-drink.htm

Ah, ok, I concede lol.

ty for that link, interesting stuff.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:27 am

Why must people post falsities as "obvious" facts? In the middle ages even children would have had beer or mead to drink.


[tired sigh]... But this isn't the Middle Ages. This isn't even Earth.


It's the Fourth Era in Tamriel, on the planet of Nirn.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:18 pm

No it's not implied in the game world. Other than the fact people don't drink water. But like I said people don't physically use the bathroom in Skyrim either, does that mean they don't have bladders
They have bathrooms so that means they use them ? They have water so that means they drink it ?
You are employing an absurd argument to attempt to prove a point that you cannot prove.
There is ale and mead for sale in the gameworld and not water. There are toilets, go figure.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:14 am

Let us not forget that most beer was highly diluted for general consumption. No town or settlement would have lasted for very long had everyone been hammered all the time.

Higher proof alcohol wasn't consumed all that often, except during celebrations and for those winding down after full day of work. Children, of course, never got the higher alcohol content.
Absolutely, I completely agree with you.
Our concept of "beer" and their concept of "beer" are very different things.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:09 pm


You and I will never agree.
Although we both accept that it's NOT earth - I think fundamentally we differ in how we perceive Nirn in terms of physical laws. The fact that Niamh can fire sparks from her fingers does not, on our Nirn, preclude her from being poisoned by dodgy food and drink. Just because one thing is true does not mean the other is.
The problem with discussions of this nature involving fantasy worlds is that you can pretty much justify anything.

In our Nirn, food and drink conform to rules anologous to early earth - water is fundamentally dangerous, and beer is not.
Because that IRL is how it would have been.

In RP terms, we add that in to our experience - because like you, many "hardcoe" mods do not view water as dangerous.
So...what about other drinks besides water? Jazybay juice anyone?
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:43 am

Adding some non-alcholic drinks should be an easy thing to do so I don't see why they shouldn't do it. Strange is wasn't included in the first place really.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:49 pm

You are employing an absurd argument to attempt to prove a point that you cannot prove.
There is ale and mead for sale in the gameworld and not water. There are toilets, go figure.


Your argument is just as absurd.. People do not use the bathroom in the game. You're stating that because there are toilets they use them.
I'm stating that because there is water people drink it. It's the EXACT same logic.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:48 pm

[tired sigh]... But this isn't the Middle Ages. This isn't even Earth.


It's the Fourth Era in Tamriel, on the planet of Nirn.
Aside from magic, trolls, elves and other magical elements, Skyrim is basically medieval Earth.
Your argument is just as absurd.. People do not use the bathroom in the game. You're stating that because there are toilets they use them.
I'm stating that because there is water people drink it. It's the EXACT same logic.
It's actually quite different logic. The toilets are safe to poop in, but the water is not safe to drink. Just because it's there doesn't mean it's useable; there are dragons in the game, why can't we ride them?
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:39 am

So...what about other drinks besides water? Jazybay juice anyone?

Apple juice, tomato juice etc. etc. Lots of different types of non-alcoholic drinks would be a nice addition.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:29 am

Also, why not just make it so that drinking water from the wild has a chance of making us sick? Fallout has a similar mechanic based on radiation sickness. This could just give you a chance of getting sick. I think that woild solve everyone's issues with this matter on both sides
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:06 pm

Aside from magic, trolls, elves and other magical elements, Skyrim is basically medieval Earth.


Yes because medieval Earth was populated by 10 different races. With a completely different ecosystem. I mean it's very slightly similar to medieval Earth, based on it, but it's important to remember it's not.
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