Yeah,so many unanserd questions.I hope we get more infos from E3.

Exactly. The Vampire Lord is a form you can enter once you gain the ability, you are still a "normal" Vampire outside of the form. I hate using this reference, but it's basically a DragonballZ Saiyan going into Super Saiyan form.

I doubt they'll change the Necromage effects. They've released a few patches already and haven't changed that, despite it being a fairly common tactic. I'm honestly not even sure if it's truly an exploit; for all we know it was intentional. But honestly, even if they do nerf the Necromage benefits of Vampirism, I don't see how it's that big of a deal. Your character should still be more than powerful enough to continue tearing up Skyrim.

well if you are looking for the differences then here you go. Basically from lore research there are only two types of vampires left after all the years of hunting. One created by Clavicus who gave up power to blend into society and the true or pure bloods created by the blood matron the origional vampire from molag bal aka vampire lords. As in the TES series we have never seen vampire lords we can assume the lords were the original vampires after the blood matrons attacks while the Cyrodiil weaklings we have been able to play as are from Clavicus. that is my prediction im sure a background story will be told if im wrong.

Only one known tribe exists in http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Cyrodiil; they are experts of concealment, their true name lost in history. Much like the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Imperial, they ousted their competition. Indistinguishable from the living if well-fed, these Cyrodiilic Vampires are cultured and more civilized than vampires of other provinces, using their stealthy abilities to feed on the sleeping and unaware. Calling themselves the Order, they have made Cyrodiil their home as of the Third Era, and, in accordance with their strict tenets, these vampires follow the Daedric Princes Molag Bal and http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Clavicus_Vile

The Cyrodiil Vampyrum Order, simply called "Our Order" by its members, is a powerful http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Cyrodiil tribe of http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vampire. Much like the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Imperial, the order has ousted all competing clans from the Imperial Province and become the single dominant bloodline within its borders. Members of the order are experts of concealment and political manipulation, so much so that the clan's true name is unknown, having been lost to history. What they lack in numbers, the vampires make up for in influence and the manipulation of society. The clan consider themselves to be a civil fraternity and see all other vampiric tribes as inferior, although they remain wary of the more enlightened clans such as the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Glenmoril_Wyrd or the Whet-Fang sodality. The order has a strict conduct to ensure discretion among its members. The order honors its Dual Patrons: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Molag_Bal the Kin-father, who all vampires owe their existence to; and http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Clavicus_Vile, who they owe for their successes and social stature, and who helps them control their blood craving.

Layman.

of course im a layman i dont work for them >_> i cant make or change lore simply on a whim.

The two tribes you quoted is one tribe.

We've no word on other tribes about whether they still exist but at one time there were claimed to be 100's of different bloodlines

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Wouldn't that just make the case more, as they created more bloodlines the genetics and mutations adapted the species while the lords in isolation stayed pure.

Not entirely correct, matey. The vamps in Morrowind were an entirely different breed, completely unable to blend.

Couldn't that have just been a game mechanic not implemented at the time rather than lore?

Simple solution. Vampire Sith Lord.

.....had to say it.

It was also an entirely different disease. Porphyric Hemophilia, if memory serves.

Daggerfall vampires could blend into society (the game before Morrowind), the Morrowind vampires are monstrous in appearence and hence are unable to do most non-vampire quests (mages and stuff you could if I remember correctly) including the main quest.

If you like light reading I'd suggest reading the lore on vampire section here http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Vampire

All the references at the bottom also contain all the literature which contains information on the vampires etc.

Edit: Posted wrong link

No. Even in gameplay NPC's said it was not possible for a vampire to blend in. And that some Telvanni Lords use masks because they are implied to be vampires.

The eyes are exactly the same as a Sith. It would fit with the Cyrodiilic vampires! The Palpatines of the Elder Scrolls!

It's hereditary. Paupers can never be nobles. What you'll see inevitably is a vampire uprising. Pauper vampires want wings too! It's their right! But, they'll never get real wings... so they'll fabricate wings out of paper mache and pretend to be Lords. This will backfire on them, however, as they'll be ostracized by both the noble and the pauper vampires for beign frauds and impostors... so they'll create their own identity crisis clan, maybe sell their services to the Forsworn or something. Their camps will crawl with hagravens and vampires with paper mache wings.


Yes... casting Lightning bolts... perrrrrrfeccct, my darling.

Still the disease in morrowind had three different types (clans) and is there a date to when clavicus created his strand of the disease? If not that means those vampire in daggerfall still could have been the type from clavicus. I'm also wondering if it adapted to the environmental or regional changes.

The Order made a patch with Clavicus, thus enhancing their own clan.

Since Oblivion occurs four years after Morrowind the vampires of Vvardenfell still exist, and they're a very different bunch to The Order aswel as the Vampires of Illiac bay and the rest of Tamriel.

The link I provided should have all the info you'll ever need on the subject.

Yes but we are talking about skyrim 200yrs after oblivion and while we havnt seen any Vvardenfell vampires we see the "Volkihar" and if you scroll down it also calls them "the order" meaning the vampires from cyrodil may have outlasted the other clans and are calling themselves the Volkihar for varied reasons. elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Vampire_(Skyrim)

Wait, so if there is a new perk tree for Vampire Lords, should I just start a level 1 character and level up using all my perks into that tree? I mean if it's a skill and you can level it up and become more powerful while at it and get perk points from leveling up with it then that's understandable but I'm a bit confused on it if you can't gain levels with the "skill" or perk tree.

Well if you get the ring of hircine and cure yourself after champions guild you can become a vampire and use the ring to transform into the wolf still I'd wait to see how it affects the perk tree tho.

Oh and as the perk tree u don't spend points for them, I think it's based on how many kills u get while in that transformation

We've been talking about vampires as a whole, there are over 9 clans in Illiac bay alone and a supposed 100+ unknown vampire clans, I'd doubt that in 200 years the Cyrodillic vampires ousted out all other bloodlines and claimed total disease dominance and not only that, but they'd rename themselves to an extinct clan of Vampires situated in Skyrim that don't share the same Tenants?

Hell I doubt a Cyrodillic vampire would put up a decent fight against any other vampire bloodline, their ability is to blend in to society, remember, an immortal can afford to be patient.

Edit: That article is titled Volkihar or The Order, they're not one in the same.

Vampire Lord...I want my own army of vamps

I think that vampire lords will only be able to put their abilities to real use in that form (Exluding nomming on peoples necks like we see in the trailer)

If you often forget you have beast form at your disposal then a vampire lord might not be the right thing for you, e.g as a normal vampire you can use a health drain spell if your in a tight situation and say LOL, NOPE to all frost mages but as a vampire lord you can destroy and entire cave with mind grenades (again, like we see in the trailer) but only if you get rid of all your humanoid forms abillities and atributes form a while, like lyncanthropy.