Yeah, the trailer doesnt confirm the Dovahkiin as having to be a vampire, it was just for a dramatic flare. For those like me who would never be a vampire or a werewolf Other than when you dont have a choice) Dawnguard is mainly about new weapons and armor and possibly finally a faction like the Vigils of Stendarr. That is all I want really.

a few quests that feature a few people that are werewolves (but is really about revenge) does not a werewolf quest-line make and 5 (just a wild guess, but it might be right) quests that you dont even need to use magic in does not a mage quest-line make. besdes, werewolves are underpowered and mages are so horribly nerfed in ths game that it is insulting to the lore writers

My only problem with a "Vampire" DLC is that they'll have to do the Nerevarine thing of .. oh he went to Akavir.. to make sure he dont show up to help when things go bad...

If sombody said that they would like spells in the DLC, they probably did not mean JUST spells.

So, what I meant was that this time the devs seem to be bent on making the dovahkiin a vampire the same way they meant for him to become the Mad God in the last add-on.

My only problem with a "Vampire" DLC is that they'll have to do the Nerevarine thing of .. oh he went to Akavir.. to make sure he dont show up to help when things go bad...

Huh? The whole "Neverarine went to Akavir" thing was just a rumor to help explain why he's not around anymore. I don't see what that has to do with Dawnguard any more than vanilla Skyrim.

First, I wasn't talking about you.
Second, I'm not some entitled brat. I don't think vampires deserve content any more or less than others. Additionally I don't think anyone SHOULDN'T get more content.
Third, I'm actually on the same page as you. I think people should stop asking for what they're never going to get. Its not that werewolves had their DLC and now its over, and its not that vampires should have DLC. The only thing I'm saying is Dawnguard is Dawnguard. Its a vampire add-on. That's just the way it is.

There are a lot of people who seem to want a lot of different things out of Dawnguard, but its not the next Elder Scrolls game, its just a Skyrim add-on. There will be new content. There won't be enough new content for everyone. Get over it.

No? You didn't get an option in Shivering Isles. The trailer for the DLC outright states that you have a choice. I fully expect a second trailer will be released soon that focuses more on the Dawnguard.

There are a lot of people who seem to want a lot of different things out of Dawnguard, but its not the next Elder Scrolls game, its just a Skyrim add-on. There will be new content. There won't be enough new content for everyone. Get over it.

YOU had a choice. The devs retconned that choice when they made Skyrim.
I wouldn't be surprised if in TES VI: Breaking Dawn the sun is blotted out because the vampire lords succeeded and the lore mentions how the dovahkiin turned vampire lord had a hand in doing it.

the people who want werewolf content have every right to want it. It doesn't mean they will get it in this DLC, it doesn't mean they will ever get it, but they have that right.

Today I've seen a pure mage wanting more mage stuffs from the new add-on. Honestly the only new mage stuff I can think that they can give us is more spells, which is pretty lame if you ask me.

I've also seen countless people who want new werewolf content "Vampires are getting new content. Why not werewolves? Its only fair."

Well, I've got news for anyone who wants more than a "vampire-only" add-on. You already have all that stuff.
Vampires don't have ANYTHING in Skyrim. You can become a vampire or you can cure yourself of the disease, and sure it gives you some pretty neat powers, but that's about it. There is no vampire faction. There are no vampire-related quests. Its not story-related in any way. In a way its almost on par with an Easter egg since assuming you DON'T know about vampirism you could easily cure disease and be done with sanguinare vampiris before it runs its unholy course...not to mention it was damn hard for me to find a vampire nest without consulting my guidebook and harder still to catch it because of my Argonian blood.

Werewolves have a faction. The Companions ARE werewolves and they're also the Fighter's Guild of Skyrim (need I remind you how HUGE the three Guilds are canonically?) There's a whole bunch of quests for them and they're all about being a werewolf, killing things in werewolf form, and generally doing werewolf things. You even get armor (granted you can't wear it in beast form, but at least you get a transformation)

Mages have the College. Again, BIG. Its a guild. It has a bunch of quests. You do mage stuff. There are spells and staves and robes and lots of mage items. Playing a mage comprises a whole THIRD of ALL the skills available in-game. Including all those skills, perks, spells, items, and quests that's a lot more content than you get from lycanthropy and vampirism COMBINED.

Are you starting to get the picture? Vampires are lacking content. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we have no faction, no quests (except for The Cure), no items, nothing. The only thing vampires have going for them is the powers you get from it...oh and dreading that moment when you exit fast travel only to discover you're now a blood-starved (stage four) vampire and all the local NPCs are now hostile to you.

This add-on corrects the lack of vampire content. Now we get a questline, a faction, a cool transformation, and hopefully some new powers or items or...or...something!
Everyone who wants more of the content they already have is just being greedy xP

True enough. But at this point, we don't know the extent of what content will be present in Skyrim. Vampires vs. Dawnguard looks like the main event, but a $20 DLC is bound to have a number of sideshows as well. That said, I'm personally quite excited to have my character join the Dawnguard, explore that cool castle and whatever other new areas will be present, and use a crossbow as a secondary weapon. But I hope that the content is enough to justify the price.

Personally, I would be surprised, but not because they defined a canon version. I think that is common industry practice. But I would be surprised if they made such a large change to the world as blotting out the sun. Personally, I think that the vampire victory will be smaller scale, though I do not know what.

True, true, I'm starting to realize where I went wrong with this thread.
The thing is I'm not saying there WON'T be werewolf content or mage content or any specific kind of content. Even I don't know that for sure. And I'm not saying Dawnguard is a "vampire-only" add-on. I'm sure there will be plenty of stuff for everybody.

I just find it really annoying when people ask for things at the last minute. Again, let's be real, this is only an add-on. Its not a complete game. You already have the complete game. Asking for more content to be stuffed into an add-on at the last minute is not only unreasonable, its unintelligible.

If the content is there, its there. If its not, its not. Don't be disappointed if there isn't new werewolf content and don't be disappointed if there's no new mage stuff either. Don't be disappointed if the whole thing is Skyrim vanilla + vampires vs. Dawnguard (crossbows, demon mounts, capes, and nothing else). Its just an add-on.

They can ask or dream if they want to. There is no need for this thread you're the only one complaining.

Today I've seen a pure mage wanting more mage stuffs from the new add-on. Honestly the only new mage stuff I can think that they can give us is more spells, which is pretty lame if you ask me. I've also seen countless people who want new werewolf content "Vampires are getting new content. Why not werewolves? Its only fair." Well, I've got news for anyone who wants more than a "vampire-only" add-on. You already have all that stuff. Vampires don't have ANYTHING in Skyrim. You can become a vampire or you can cure yourself of the disease, and sure it gives you some pretty neat powers, but that's about it. There is no vampire faction. There are no vampire-related quests. Its not story-related in any way. In a way its almost on par with an Easter egg since assuming you DON'T know about vampirism you could easily cure disease and be done with sanguinare vampiris before it runs its unholy course...not to mention it was damn hard for me to find a vampire nest without consulting my guidebook and harder still to catch it because of my Argonian blood. Werewolves have a faction. The Companions ARE werewolves and they're also the Fighter's Guild of Skyrim (need I remind you how HUGE the three Guilds are canonically?) There's a whole bunch of quests for them and they're all about being a werewolf, killing things in werewolf form, and generally doing werewolf things. You even get armor (granted you can't wear it in beast form, but at least you get a transformation) Mages have the College. Again, BIG. Its a guild. It has a bunch of quests. You do mage stuff. There are spells and staves and robes and lots of mage items. Playing a mage comprises a whole THIRD of ALL the skills available in-game. Including all those skills, perks, spells, items, and quests that's a lot more content than you get from lycanthropy and vampirism COMBINED. Are you starting to get the picture? Vampires are lacking content. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we have no faction, no quests (except for The Cure), no items, nothing. The only thing vampires have going for them is the powers you get from it...oh and dreading that moment when you exit fast travel only to discover you're now a blood-starved (stage four) vampire and all the local NPCs are now hostile to you. This add-on corrects the lack of vampire content. Now we get a questline, a faction, a cool transformation, and hopefully some new powers or items or...or...something! Everyone who wants more of the content they already have is just being greedy xP

Can't agree enough, great post!

True enough; I agree with what you are saying. I'll only be disappointed if I don't feel that the included content does not justify the price point. But considering how much time it is taking for them to release this DLC, I'm not expecting it to be low on content.

I just find it really annoying when people ask for things at the last minute. Again, let's be real, this is only an add-on. Its not a complete game. You already have the complete game. Asking for more content to be stuffed into an add-on at the last minute is not only unreasonable, its unintelligible.

Making a new thread to replace this one titled "Dawnguard is about vampires"

here's the first post:

"There will undoubtedly be new content that everyone can enjoy, however the focus of the story this time around (just like Bloodmoon was about werewolves--not vampires--and Shivering Isles was about the Mad God--not the other deadric princes) is on the conflict between vampires and the Dawnguard.

Vampires will probably be getting the best stuff (at least a cool transformation judging from the trailer) and everyone else will be getting vanilla content like new armors, weapons, spells, crossbows, and capes.

Stop asking for additions at the last minute."


So what do you all think? Did I get my point across better this time?
I would say roughly 75% of the content will this whole vampire vs. Dawnguard conflict, and the remaining 25% will be a handful of other stuff--random general things like armor, weapons, spells, crossbows, and capes.
Its like everyone asking for more of this or more of that is clamoring for that 25% to be all about what I want, like children shouting "gimme gimme gimme!!" cuz somebody just cracked open a pinata....
Its annoying. That's all I meant.

No? You didn't get an option in Shivering Isles. The trailer for the DLC outright states that you have a choice. I fully expect a second trailer will be released soon that focuses more on the Dawnguard.