Oh god, I died laughing at the screenshots at the end.

Yes, I never agree to slay Paarthurnax. He's too awesome for that. Which is quite a pity, because I really like Esbern. Don't care much for Delphine (as a character, that is, don't mind Joan Allen).

I think there should be an option to tell the Blades you won't do it and then another option to either break all bonds with them or kill them. Also, if you kill Delphine, Esbern should submit and be your BFF. Ya I know, it's not gonna happen...

They have to be involved with future DLC. Otherwise, I can't see why they'd still be set essential after asking you to kill my pal Parth.

Actually theirs a mod out there that gives you the option to lie and say that you did slay him but you didn't. Sorry I cant seem to remember the headline name on nexus so I'm unable to share the URL.

You must add in player. before adding setessentinal in order for it to work.


LOL I'm glad you like the video

I must say, most posters in this thread share something in common with the Thalmors. Hatred for the Blades.

I don't hate them either and I didn't do what they wanted. They are trying to live up to an Oath and even Paarthurnax says they're smart to not trust him...I think that's how he put it. My feeling was that I don't kill someone who helps me, especially in such a huge way. If he turned on me later, I might have to do it, but until then it's about honor and I wouldn't do it. I was sad it came to that choice but I made it.

I don't think of them as 'The Blades', and I also couldn't say that I hate them either. They aren't important enough to generate any strong feelings, although Delphine's attitude is annoying.

Way I see it who help you defeat Alduin more Delphine or Paarthurnax? I want to tell her what exactly have you done to help can you please remind me? now you want me to kill Paarthurnax! She needs to move on with her life and accept her organisation is dead.

I don't like the Thalmor but I wish their was an option where you can join temporary forces with them to defeat Delphine and Esbern, or maybe trick them so they can be captured by the thalmor.

You say live up to the oath huh?They're suppose to serve the dragonborn... not order him around like a servant. Before I sent Esbern and Delphine to Sithis the old man had the audacity to tell me "You shouldn't be here, unless you've decided to bring Paarturnax to justice." Lack of respect for someone that they're suppose to serve. The dragonborn is the leader of this blade organization and this is how they treat their boss? Hell no! Their souls belongs to Sithis in my book.

If the lore came down to the blades vs greybeards, I wonder if a dragonborn can do without the thu'um, and still be recognised as the demi-god that he/she is. It's not like the power of the voice is a unique ability of the dragonborn, and I'm pretty sure Alessia, the first ever dragonborn did not have this ability nor ever used it. I'm also starting to doubt that Talos ever demonstrated this ability, nor did he ues it to conquer Tamriel. The thu'um I believe is just a mechanic for true warriors to have some sort of super power, becuase they are inept at magic.

If it wasnt for delphies knowledge technically we wouldnt have found our very first word wall, umm the blades were the ones who figured out the dragons name to capture which we wouldnt have gotten to the place to enter sovengarde, without esbern we wouldnt have found that very old blades temple that would have shown us about the dragonrend bc paar and the greybeards didnt wanna bring it up to us, without esbern we wouldnt have gotten thru the peace councel without it being dismantled, the greybeards gave us the knowledge of world walls while the blades gives us details on where to find dragon souls, bah to tired to think of anymore.

Also check ur lore, the blades had the oath to serve and protect the dragonblood emporers...and that was finished when martin died 200 years ago. They serve and protect the currwnt dragonborn on the basis he is the only one who can truely defeat the dragons atm..no other reason no oath or anything. Also they do serve and protect u by training ur bodyguards and giving u Intel to survive..

The problem is the Blades of today are trying to get back to their roots as dragon hunters. Dragon hunters who served the Dragonborn. Their organization, both in its original purpose and the one it later adopted, were tasked with serving the Dragonborn. Either way, they aren't really in a position to challenge my decisions.

They don't serve and protect you in any way. In fact, they use you. Delphine essentially uses you to restore some purpose to her existence and the existence of the Blades. You turn out to be the only one who can actually open Sky Haven Temple.

How do they train my bodyguards? I got Lydia, Iona, Argis, and Jordis from the Jarls, and they are all more than capable on their own. Their training (and that of other followers I can recruit) is not affected by the Blades and handing them recruits. The only advantage is getting good armour (Blades Armour), but that's about it.

I support their decision to kill Parthunaax, solely for one reason: In the realm of gods and daedra, one only has to walk like them to become them.

Though his intentions may be to spread the way of the voice among Dova as their leader, I fear he'd just turn into another form of Alduin, much like the Champion of Cyyrodil became Sheogorath.

The blades are dead... these are two loners who believe to be worthy descendants of the Akaviri Dragonslayers.

Ironic that "The Dragon Slayer" chooses to spare a dragons life.

But yea i agree completly.

The greybeards would kick the crap outta those milk drinking blades (Not including this Dragonborn of course).

the position they are in is that they got screwed over and abandoned by the last organization they served and protected and i see the whole Paar issue is straight up a test seeing hwo the only information they give you on the situation is "either ur with us or against us", meaning they give u the order as a test to see where ur loyalties lie seeing how there last organization they served and protected sided with the thalmor and threw the blades to the dogs and see u siding with Paar in the same light. Also whent he dragonhunters got defeated by tiber septim, they joined him and served him not as dragon hunters but as blades, so technically the dragon hunters never served the dragonborn.


they serve me by giving me tons of details thru the main quest AND on how to find dragons..u know so i have a less of a chance to walk smack into a dragons lair unprepared, i bring them recruits and yes some of them already knwo how to fight, but gamewise when u train them they get their stats boosted higher and u can bring even lidia thats stuck at what lvl 5 stats all the way up to lvl whatever, plus RP wise i can bring reg joe blow and they'll train him to be a dragonslaying machine, they give ya armor and equipment and even let u learn a shout, u get a blessing that lasts 5 days over 1, ...they serve and protect in many ways...they just have the balls not to be my [censored] and my slave and wipe my ass all the time. Its more the see me as the ost important part of the team that they need to keep alive but that im not the boss so they dont cave to my every whim.

Also the whole serve and protect is how u take it and I see most people taking it as them suppose to our whims when I see it as like the policemens creed of serving and protecting where as dragonslayers they go out and fights dragons like policemen fights criminals. Now as far as game mechanics we dont see them actually going out except when we grab them but that has to deal with so they are always in one place so when we need them we know where there at instead of trying to scour the country side trying to find them. Would love as in a future dlc if we side with the blades then we could get random occurrences of finding blades outin the wild fighting dragons and maybe get to use thier spying skills in future dlcs also.

The Companions still do missions when you aren't around. I run into them all the time in the world map. Can't see why the Blades need to send 4 people after one dragon long after the fact I've demonstrated I can take one down by myself no problem.

I see what you did there

Personally i got a sick feeling in my stomach about what they wanted me to do, i fast travelled to the Throat Of The World with a heavy heart, i went to give one last talk with My Dovh Friend when i saw that i couldn't kill him HOORAY, i may not have known him for long but i wouldn't be here if it weren't for his guidance.

PS: now i get why Argneir disliked the Blades

Really? sweet, i used to see them all over the place vefore i joined with them but after i joined i never saw them leave the area.

Yeah. Counting the scripted encounter in Whiterun I've found them in every hold.

It is the difference between serving the community and serving your Lord

You basically don't find a vassal acting like a d*****bag against their Lord without being evicted as the result. In short, it should have been the Blades that we kick out, not the other way around

Delphine used her "oath" as an excuse. Which oath? And did it mention anything about serving the Dragonborn?

176h into the game and I still can't decide who to join. Both sides have valid points. It's like having 2 friends that don't like each other. Then a day come when You have to choose whose side are You on.

I've been trying to find a copy of the oath the Blades have sworn to. Is it in Skyrim when they swear in new Blades or is it in a previous game or a book? It might help to see exactly what they've sworn to. It could be both...to protect the Dragonborn and to protect Tamriel from dragons.

Another thought about Paarthurnax is that he helps Dovahkiin to get the one weapon that will help to slay a dragon knowing full well that it could some day be used on him if Dovahkiin chooses to do so. That's why I didn't find it necessary to kill him when asked by the Blades. Dovahkiin is cautious about listening to other people and knows the passion of the Blades, especially to make up for not protecting Emperor Uriel Septim as they should have, even though it wasn't these two particular people. They're just trying to do a lot better is how I see it...and to prevent their own extinction because it's really close. Every faction has its own agenda so Dovahkiin has to take all that in.

but why when the greybeards and paarthunax knew there was specifically againzt dragons and knowing about it did they not tell your pc at the beginning about it and tried to hide the info? U only found out there was a shout designed for that from the blades and even when confronting the greybeards they at first didnt want to tell you the weapon that brought down alduin? After hearing from the greybeards who didny want to tell you I see paar telling you aout it AFTER the blades let you know there was a shout that did that. So I see paar deally only telling you BC u know theres a shout and mi use trying to act like he dosent know abit..both sidest w axthady on both partys. One dn