Err. Roggvir was executed for his participation in the duel. And it's very clear that Tullius wants Ulfric's head on a pike.

And that's a game mechanic, it's not part of their society. The reason why the holds track crime seperately was because players didn't like the psychic guards from Oblivion and the horrendously bugged guards from Morrowind.

Parthurnaax rocks!!

Wow. I think some of you actually think you live in Skyrim. lol

I let him live because he was very likable, help me fight Alduin on top of the Throat of the World, taught me some things, and had a lot to do with me being able to take Alduin down. Plus the Greybeards are way cooler than the Blades. And I'd rather have the Greybeards on my side than the Blades.

The Blades are not likable. In fact they are arrogant, pushy and treat the Dragonborn like he's just another soldier most of the time.

Everyone deserves a 2nd chance. Including Parth!

Parthurnaax to me is like Yoda in Star Wars (Old, wise and someone to look to for guidance). With the Greybeards leader as a sort of Obi-Won Kenobi.

Esbern is the Emperor with Delphine as his Vader.

the whole ultimatum was very game breaking. i can come to terms with them forgoing thier "blades" vows and becoming dragonguards..........what i cant coem to grips is the whole ultimatum. I mean its the end of the world and their are dragosn flying all around terozing people, we got the big badass Alduin himself out there..........and the blades want to target Paar first. The one dragon that isnt doing anything harmful atm. I mean we got Alduin out there rezzing all these dragons AND we got hundreds of dragosn just popping up and terrozing towns and travelers ANNNDDD the "blades" main focus is Paar right now because of course sitting up there on top of the mountain doing nothign isss soooo dangerous that they HAVE to take him out first and if u dont then....what was it that the Greybeard said "better for the Alduin to just destroy this world..."

Isnt not helping me and disowning me for not wanting to take out Paar first...hell sit down and talk to me about it later after everythign and i might...BUT with Alduin and all the other dragosn that NEED to be "dragonslayed"....i dunno thats what i whave a problem with. They shoulda left paar for later AFTER u took care of the MQ or soemthing not when there was ALOT of bigger dangers out there.

It all depends on what order you do things in. I did the Blades quests before finishing the Main quest and it wasn't until I returned to the Blades after killing Alduin that I was asked to kill Parthurnaax. So I just reloaded and never went back to the temple. Blades quests are done and I didn't have to kill Parth. And not going back to the temple kept the "Kill Parthurnaax" objective out of my journal.
I got Esberns Potion as well so I'm not missing out on anything other than Dragon locations. I can find them myself.

from what i hear is that after the final fight with Alduin, if ur gonna complete the quest u have to do it before u talk to Paar after Alduin or he gets his essential tag back.

The Paarthurnax quest left my journal.

I find the game plays a lot more sensibly if you just accept the fact that the Blades are loonies. Everything makes sense then.


'course, the game makes even more sense if you accept the fact that every single NPC is a loony and the PC has ADD.

well it doesn't matter anyway i cant kill Paarthunax hes immortal in this hellhole of a broken game i can beat all the life out of him the heal him to do it all over again i wanted to kill him because my first guy i saved him, the the dragon you can summon say that paarthunax is a tyrant, they only way wasn't kill in the first place it he betray Alduin,
It was all a power grab 200 years in the making. Parrthunax is up to no good and he start making trouble in my neighbor hood , So i want him Dead but i cant i really do hate this game.

This just makes no sense. Paarthurnax was one of the last dragons for hundreds of years. Do you honestly think it would make sense for him to "fall off the wagon" and try to conquer the world by himself? It most certainly would not have happened many times by now.

Wow. If you have that big a problem with Skyrim, maybe you just need to take yourself off and play whatever you think is better.

The only way I see Paarthurnax plausibly going "bad" is by wanting to teach other dragons and being out and about in the world again (away from his peace and solace). Sooner or later, some or most of these dragons are going to defy him. And some are going to want to test him in their little pecking order. Some will go about and flaunt what they do. And he's going to have to stand back and take it. And like any teacher, he's going to be pissed off. Even the nicest of teachers have a meltdown with their students and inferiors. "Just listen and shut up already!" He'll probably have that moment where he gives in to his bossiness, and may end up regressing. He might rationalize how it's OK, since it's for a good cause. But slowly and slowly he might embrace this side of himself and even forget the "good cause"... Paarthurnax - Ambition-Overlord-Tyranny. Just how long will he control that? It's easier for him to be peaceful up in High Hrothgar, but just like anyone else, if you're out in the world, then you're really tested. It starts getting to you. He would be no exception. And he has all the power to smack fools around, if he wants to. How long can he resist?

i believe it has proven that it is likely for a criminal to become a criminal again by being put in the same neighborhood that he/she was in.
Put Mr.P back where he was years ago, it is just as likely that he will become a tyrant again. so the best thing they could have done is to have an option to refuse the quest, and have a persuade option to keep Mr.P on his perch and meditate, LEAVING the other Dragons to humanity. since that is not going to happen, it is either kill him and anger the greybeards, who if they had their way would keep you in their temple after the end quest, or risk your buddy "falling" back to his old habits.

Think of him Staying where he was as a prison sentence, where if you are good, you get released. If you are not, you get shanked.

(i study Criminal Justice, do not judge my knowledge on the subject)

I wasn't talking about that duel. There are other cases of duels being incited where the winner doesn't go to jail. One example being that mini-quest/event (forgot the name) near Faldor's tooth where a couple guys go at it and one kills the other right near the guards but it's a duel of tradition as the victor points out. Game mechanic is a function nonetheless. I don't see the consistency in logic to not have guards instantly know you're a criminal across the map, vs. guards instantly recognizing you, instantly knowing what crime you committed seconds after it occurs no matter the location, and so many other factors which are clearly game mechanics too, but they apply in the lore of the game regardless.


Simply, real life law and justice =/= Skyrim law and justice.

Doing a little bit of role-playing: I'm the Dragonborn (and, if I remember correctly, that was the reason the Septims claimed the emperorship, but I digress). As far as I know, there are two potential threats to me being the ultimate ass-kicker in all of Skyrim. Paarth and Alduin. Sorry boys, but you gotta go. I do not share power.

this game rpg element is so good, that everyone can decide what to do based on their own morality ground, apart from the main quest.

I completely agree with you, but when people complain about how they are "suggested" to play the game, then that can get slightly annoying. Just my two cents.

The Paarthurnax kill quest is so badly written and executed its sad. To start Esbern gives a momentous speech about the importance of putting aside petty differences to kill Alduin. Then (because of a petty difference) he says o we can't help you because the peaceful pacifist dragon on top of a mountain who is the sole reason humans managed to rise against Alduin in the first place and defended them thousands of years ago used to kill people years before he helped them. And that Tweedle A and B can't help you because you don't want to murder him in cold blood. Whoever wrote this needs to take some basic college english classes so they can at least make sense of the situation and characters.

Humans torture and maim other creatures and humans so what all humans must die. He will force the dragons to be peacefull like police officers, so all police officers must die. Since they are infringing on my freedoms to do as I please they must die. Jesus who started the new style of teaching the Bible believed everyone is equal and to never harm someone, but their have been holy killings in his name so the Christians must die. You see how this easily becomes a problem don't you. Paarthurnax regrets what he did and does accept the hate towards him and understands why people want to kill him, but he is the reason Alduin was temporarily ousted by the humans and was the reason they exist. Odaving is a traditional dragon and will serve the strongest to an extent, which is why he call the Way of the Voice tyranical.

an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.



(also not trying to bring relegion into this i don't even believe in any gods, just an example)

I know this is off-topic, but I like to clear this up whenever I can. "Eye for an eye" is a LIMITATION on justice, not a call for revenge.

and he said Paarthunaax must die because of justice so yea it was a response to him. Even the Blades say it was for justice not revenge, but they do want him dead for revenge and won't admit it because they Kim Jong Il crazy

theres alduin and bout a hundred other dragons out there razing and terrozing towns to the ground............and the "dragonslayers' want to focus and kill the dragon whos sitting on the mountain top where he hasnt left for like what 3000 years.mot partaking in the carnage........and the Blades First and Only concern to them right now is to kill the dragosn whos not doing anything...nevermind the rest out there doign damage at the same moment delphie gave u the ultimatum.....

it was just very borely done.

If you ignore the Paarthurnax quest it will just vanish from your list when you complete the MQ. So you can choose to reject it through inaction for a different outcome.

I look at it like this. I am the Dovahkiin and it is my destiny to stop Alduin.

That's it.

It is not my destiny to hunt down and exterminate every dragon in existence, and I'm not going to try. The only one's I've killed are the ones that attacked first, and that's the way it'll stay.

As for what's left of the Blades, if they want Parthurnaax dead badly enough, then the big bad "dragonslayers" can climb the Throat of the World and do it themselves. The problem is, no matter how much they go on and on about it, they are not dragonslayers, and they know it. They are a couple of paranoid delusionals, both well on their way to old age, who have never even seen a dragon until I came along. Let them sit in their empty temple and try to recreate an age long dead. They won't get any help from me.

Sad to say, this was the only part of the entire MQ that made my jaw drop in a big "HUH, where did that come from?"

Ok, cool, the 2 Blades show up for the cease fire conferance and speak up to convince everyone that a cease fire was needed to help me "Capture a dragon" mind you... Then while all the Jarls and people are talking amongst themselves after the conferance I had to strain to hear what Delphine says clear across the room. So when I approch her she says it again and I'm like "what the hell?" So in inquery I got the message, either kill Parthurnaxx or we won't help you...

Beforehand, I agreed to find more people to recrute into the Blades, I recruted one person before the conferance... (Beat the crap out of Delphine with the mindset of "Don't you ever give me an ultimatum and tell me what to do" Of course she couldn't be killed) So I reloaded and proceeded hasteningly to complete the MQ.

Well, didn't need the Blade's help after this conferance, but still I brought another follower to recrute AFTER completing the MQ... "Thanks, I think one more should do it and then we will be strong enough we can go out and slay dragons" she tells me... Whats funny is, one of the followers I brought was my housecarl from Whiterun, now she sits in my house with Blades equipment on...

I never did bring a third follower, never found out exactly what the Blades would do once I did, never killed Paarthrunaxx(Mostly because I don't know if there is another way to "Meditate" on my shouts AND because "The Blades told me to" thus, I never found out EXACTLY what the Blades would help me with once I killed Paarthrunaxx.

All this being said, I agree, the entire scenero could have been written quite a bit better, more thought, more feeling and more reason than "For justice of what was done thousands of years ago"

Dummies, you already helped me BEFORE you found out the Greybeards are harboring a Dragon Now I don't need you any more.... IMO, I think more went into the engine dynamics and visuals of this game while the storylines were hastily written... Needless to say, some of the books of Skyrim are quite a bit better than some of the storylines...

But, I've enjoyed the game thus far, put in over 100 hrs with my first Character and just started a Battlemage

(I love how the editor messed up my paragraphing!!! I edited a 'cuss' word lol)

Well, I felt bad about killing parthunax, but it was the only way to rebuild the blades, something I wanted to do, so I had to. If there was a radiant to help parthnax convince dragons to follow the way of the voice, I would have done that instead of siding with the blades