Paarthunax - Slay him ? WHY would I do that ! did you ?

Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:44 am

I didn't kill him, and told the blades to stick it up their [censored]. Plain and simple.
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Victoria Bartel
 
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:56 pm

Delphine and Esbern's days are numbered in my current game. I let them live in my last game, but this time I'm playing a good character who sees them as a threat to a lawful citizen of Skyrim and longtime mentor of a peaceful organization. Besides, didn't Tiber Septim himself order the Blades not to kill Paarthurnax?
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Rodney C
 
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:38 am

I just noticed something new btw. The little girl Sissel in Rorikstead. She says she had dreams about a good dragon, who was old and grey. It must be a little hint about Paarth. And if Sissel thinks he's good, maybe I shouldn't disappoint her. heh

Interesting. I haven't seen her in the game, but I think exactly the same way. Paarthurnax is a good dragon, I didn't slay him. He was nicer than the Blades anyway.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:44 am

I killed him, now i dont like my character anymore. lol, damn consciousness
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Caroline flitcroft
 
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:12 pm

Look at it this way:
You kill 100 rats. Are you a murderer? No.
10 years from now you discover they are intelligent and deserve to live. Do you retroactively become a murderer for the kills you did 10 years ago? No.
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Chris Jones
 
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:05 am

I'd never kill Paarthy, We're best friends like totally. I sometimes sit atop the throat of the world just staring at him, seeing what he does in his spare time. He's not lively...
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Steven Nicholson
 
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:47 am

I kill him every time. Really don't trust him one bit.
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Alexander Horton
 
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:35 am

I trust him. He stuck around 100s of years just to keep training the greybeards in the voice.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:07 pm

Another thing to consider.Every dragon he converts is one I will not be able to bend to my will ala Odaviing.Paarth has his own agenda that is in opposition to mine at the moment and I am not 100% certain what his endgame is.

I would have liked the option to lie to the blades and keep both but I can't so Paarth goes
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:57 am

Look at it this way:
You kill 100 rats. Are you a murderer? No.
10 years from now you discover they are intelligent and deserve to live. Do you retroactively become a murderer for the kills you did 10 years ago? No.

Do you think the rats would feel the same way?
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:03 am

Look at it this way:
You kill 100 rats. Are you a murderer? No.
10 years from now you discover they are intelligent and deserve to live. Do you retroactively become a murderer for the kills you did 10 years ago? No.
Do you think the rats would feel the same way?

They should. No law is moral that gives the citizen no means of knowing how to not break the law.

Judge: "You are charged with going 50 in a 25mph zone. How do you plead"?
defendant: "But the sign said 50"!
Judge: "The sign was wrong. How do you plead"?
defendant: "...."
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:27 pm

All dragons chose to serve Alduin because they were afraid of him. Paarthurnax was no Different. He had options, he could have fought against the other dragons and went into hiding (guellia tactics). He could have also tried to covertly dominate weaker dragons so that humans had help in their revolution. Did he do any of that, no, all those who spare Mr.P are like "but he was forced to serve his big brother, he had no choice but to kill people". Face it, he had a choice, and he chose to do the things he did, despite how powerful big brother was, until humans had enough, the he chose to level the playing field.

Everyone has a choice, even if one of those choices was death. even after HE (paarthurnax) gave Humans the ability to fight dragons on their terms, we had to come up with the dragonrend shout, which really leveled the playing field in humanity's favor. He pointed the way we could win, we chose to follow it, we came up with the victory, and the tools to get it (dragonrend, elder scroll). HE is useless now, other than meditation on shouts and getting some friendly dragons flying around.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:46 am



A more apt anology would be what if a tiger killed 20 humans and then 40 years later learned to speak english and cured cancer. Would you forgive him his crimes that occured back when he was just an animal? Parth wasnt under man/mer law at the time he killed people. With no law governing there can be no crime occuring.

You can't compare a tiger and a dragon. Dragons are highly intelligent always have been, tigers not so much.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:52 am

You can't compare a tiger and a dragon. Dragons are highly intelligent always have been, tigers not so much.

The point is that neither the dragon or tiger could be considered to be subject to human law. To the dragon we were just like rats to be controlled. Is it his fault he killed humans before he knew they were worthy of living? You can make the case that he is still not trustworthy, but trying to say he must die for his past 'crimes' is immoral since at that time the law did not apply to him.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:32 am

They should. No law is moral that gives the citizen no means of knowing how to not break the law.

Judge: "You are charged with going 50 in a 25mph zone. How do you plead"?
defendant: "But the sign said 50"!
Judge: "The sign was wrong. How do you plead"?
defendant: "...."

Ignorance isn't a defence in law
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:25 am



The point is that neither the dragon or tiger could be considered to be subject to human law. To the dragon we were just like rats to be controlled. Is it his fault he killed humans before he knew they were worthy of living? You can make the case that he is still not trustworthy, but trying to say he must die for his past 'crimes' is immoral since at that time the law did not apply to him.

Ok so I can fly over to let's say France and kill them because hey I don't know if french are worthy of living. Let's assume united states ave no problem with killing French so I should be ok right? I'm not subject to their laws seeing I'm not French so they shouldn't be able to arrest me.

As for the game I'm not arguing if he should go to dragon court and be put to death by the laws. I'm saying he killed lots of people and I don't feel he deserves to live for that fact.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:56 pm

I prefer to believe that as Dragonborn the remaining dragons will follow me or suffer the same fate as Alduin.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:23 am

Ok so I can fly over to let's say France and kill them because hey I don't know if french are worthy of living.
You DO know (or should know). The dragon had no way of knowing.
Let's assume united states ave no problem with killing French so I should be ok right? I'm not subject to their laws seeing I'm not French so they shouldn't be able to arrest me.
If you are on their soil you ARE subject to their laws. OTOH if you are a soldier in Afghanistan and you come on someone dressed as an enemy that points a fake gun at you and you kill him, you are NOT guilty of murder. You had no way of knowing it was wrong to shoot.
As for the game I'm not arguing if he should go to dragon court and be put to death by the laws. I'm saying he killed lots of people and I don't feel he deserves to live for that fact.
Then thats vengeance not justice.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:22 am

Paarthurnax... his whole plan seems wonderfully benevolent, until you realize that it all culminates in him becoming the King of Dragons. He uses the Dragonborn, the Dragonborn is just his tool. He knows he can't kill Alduin, so he tells the guy who can what he wants to hear to get him to do it for him. I love how 99% of the players of this game buy his act, while at the same time talking about how power hungry Ulfric is. There's irony here somewhere.
"The Blades are wise not to trust me. Onikaan ni ov. I would not trust another dovah."
"I can be trusted. I know this. But they do not. Onikaan no ov dovah. It is always wise to mistrust a dovah."
Two quotes from Paarth.

I let him live anyway. I like him more than Delphine and Esbern, and he hasn't given me any reason to kill him. The Blades want him dead, they can do it themselves.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:12 am

Ignorance isn't a defence in law
That's true, but his example isn't a case of that because doing 50MPH when the Speed Limit sign says 50MPH is, by definition, legal. Posting a 50MPH sign in a 25MPH zone and then charging violators with breaking the speed limit makes you guilty of entrapment, because you're accusing them of a crime they didn't actually commit according to the posted regulation. You don't get to go back and change the sign, either, as then you're acting ex post facto, which is also not allowed.

Paarthurnax's situation is similar to this; he cannot be charged with war crimes, because according to Dovah law he was doing exactly what he was supposed to- keeping the puny humans subjugated, by whatever means necessary. That human agents (in this case the Blades) now seek to charge him for said crimes is ridiculous on the face of it; not only are the Dovah not bound by human laws, but nothing he did was actually illegal, so there is no basis in fact for the charges.

If anything, his fellow Dovah should be trying him for treason, since that's exactly what helping the humans overthrow Alduin amounts to.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:28 am

I think it's useful to have Paarthunax around if there is ever going to be a dragon problem again. Otherwise, all dragons should be killed and quick.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:11 am

I killed him... eventually.

For me it was all about role-playing. I didn't kill him at first. After saving the world twice (once with main quest and the other with the College) and doing so with honor, killing only in self-defense and never, ever willingly commiting a crime. I settled down in Whiterun with my bride. I did short little adventures, brought home the goods to her and she sold them on e-bay. It was a great little dream home.

Until one day my bride and I decided to take an adventure together for old times sake. We ended up having a beautiful picnic in a vast underground world underneath a giant glowing mushroom next to a lake. I opened up to her how hurt I was that after becoming Thane of several towns, saving the world twice, and slaying what must be most of the dragons on the planet I was... I dunno... ignored. I would have liked to have had a holiday. A jarl-hood somewhere. Heck would a ticker tape parade have been too much to ask?

As we were talking she was attacked by Frost Trolls and died defending me. The grief was too much to bear. The death of my wife coupled with the disappointment of saving a cold and heartless world that so quickly forgets about you changed me. I became heartless. I became blood thirsty. I went on a rampage slaying all who stood in my way and ruthlessly breaking into homes and robbing them blind as if I were the Grinch stealing Christmas.

My first stop in my new bloodthirsty life was the appropriately named Throat of the World. After slicing Parthanaax' long throat with my trusty blade I chucked to myself that I now knew why they called it that, his 8 foot throat was certainly the throat of the world.

Saving the world was fun. Slaying the world is oh so much more fun. Now, lets call Odavhing, here dragon dragon dragon, come out and plaaaayyy....
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:48 pm

Lets see. Anyone can kill a dragon. By the end of the Dovahkiin's life, dragon numbers are going to be slim pickings.

Paarth decides to rebel in the future, whiterun guards slaughter him. Sure alduin can resurrect him, but if I'm still around, I'll take them out then. If not, you're screwed anyways because no more dragonborn to stop alduin.

Secondly. We have no idea what really happened 6000 years ago. The ancestors of the blades rolled on in and started hunting dragons. You think it odd that Paarth would fight against them? There's no way to know what happened, killing Paarth is like executing the Dragonborn because he was found near the stormcloaks. Maybe he was a stormcloak, maybe he wasn't. There's no way to tell. Except in this case we have even less evidence than that presented against the Dragonborn.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:45 am

One of my many role-plays, and Orc warrior, slew him. For him it was the glory of slaying an ancient beast like Paarthunax. Plus, he wanted to join the Blades and hunt down even more dragons with them.

However, I'll admit most my characters will let him live as the Blades in Skryim are obviously delusional.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:29 am

No way would I ever kill Paathanax!
He is awesome and a good person.
And I don't like killing dragons anyway, unless they attack me.

The Blades are ignorant idiots. I suspect the Blades got removed form being the emporers guard for a good reason.
The Greybeards are good. Too reserved but they are good people.

The blades have lost the freaking plot.
Surely Tiber Septim met Paathanax? He did'nt want to kill him. No one with any sense would want to hurt Paathanax.

I tried to kill Delphine and Esburn. Why the bloody hell are they marked essential?! They ar'nt in the least bit freaking essential to anything in any way, shape or form.
I have no interest in joining the freaking blades, I should be able to freaking well kill them!

I hate the Blades. I loathe and despise all dragonslayers. They are scum and should die in the most violent and painfull way possible.
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