Here's hoping for an X64 executable that has been compiled with the -O2 flag. They've had more than enough time to figure that out.

The bug may have similar (or the same) symptoms, but there's no guarantee it's the same bug. It depends on what the code is underneath, and how much of the old game engine's code is in the new engine. Only Bethesda know what the story is.

If you don't believe me, think about the game like a car. There are a number of reasons why a car might crank over without starting. You might have an electical fault, or it might be the fuel delivery system, or it might be something else altogether. Same symptoms, different issues.

All of the patches to date have been about getting the game engine stable. None of this is anything that a content kit / SDK will be able to help with. We don't yet know how hard Bethesda are going to work at fixing quest issues, because the next patch (1.4) is the first one that will have any quest fixes in it.

From what I've read in various interviews, it sounds like Bethesda wants to support Skyrim a lot better than they've supported their other titles in the past. Give them a chance to give it a go before you write them off completely.

I'd settle for them compiling with decent optimisations and SSE2 support. From what I've read on SkyrimNexus, it sounds like there are a lot of functions that aren't inlined that should be. These functions, if inlined, are small enough to fit into the handful bytes that are used to call the non-inlined version. And given that SSE2 has been around since 2001 (or 2003 for AMD) I think it's fair to say that our CPUs will be compatible.

Just a shame I have to trust 3rd party stuff to get a game to run properly.....back to pirating I go.....quote it write it down log it SOPA [censored] you. I will start paying for products when they are idk finished.

Funny fact, the author of SOPA recently broke a copyright law.. he used a copyright picture as background on his website

How is this a reason to pirate a game? If you got an illegal version of Skyrim it would have the same issues, and you wouldn't even be able to patch it.

If anything, Skyrim's release just underlines the fact that buying a pc game at release is foolish, when waiting a year or two lets you buy a patched and discounted game of the year edition.

umm what do you actually mean 'that specific book'? You'll only get one skillpoint from books with the same titles... for ex. there are several copies of 'The mirror' but you only get skillpoint in block when you first read it, if you later find another 'the mirror' it shouldn't give points. There are other books that boost block though...
I'm pretty sure you knew this already, but just had to make sure, no offence or anything like that.

You can easily patch it.. im not to say how or where because that will make me banned. just trust me when i say it can be done.

Battlefield 3 was epic on release, had no problem at all with it..
Skyrim is just unoptimized for me, no critical bugs.

Well yes, but you have to wait even longer for the torrent groups to repackage a new patch instead of getting it instantly off steam. I still see no sane reason to advocate piracy when it only makes things more difficult.

Anyways, getting off topic here...

I would still very much like to know if the construction kit will be released alongside patch 1.4, or at a later date. It's good to hear that it is being worked on, but more details would be appreciated.

I guess another patch with some 10 fixes and a thanks 4 downloading ?

New to the forum. Played for about 250 hours without any problem. Since 10 days I am experiencing also CTDs every 10-20 minutes. Game became unplayable.

System Info: iMac 27", Intel quad-core, Bootcamp, Win7-32, ATI HD 6790M 2MB, CCC 11.12. All drivers and patches up-to-date.

Problem: When leaving/entering rooms, dungeons, etc, using the map or inventory, sometimes even outside screen goes blank, music (and game) continues. Sometimes I am able to save my Win7 by entering (blindly) into console and hit QQQ for quit. Most cases Win7 crashes after a while with a graphic driver failure. But hardware is ok as I can play other games without any problem. No temperature problem as well.

I filed this issue already a couple of times but never got any reaction from gamesas. I love the game but am more then disappointed about customer care and support. They made millions and are not interested in even letting us know that they "may be working" on this issue? If they do not come with a fix soon this will be the last game I bought from them. Sorry to say that.

I want my bloody Quest Fixes and my dam Creation kit .... I didn't pay 60$ for Beta game.... i payed for a complete bloody game...

Reading my post again, I should have elaborated better. I have a bug where a new skill book, one that hasen't been read before or hasen't had another instance of it read before, doesn't always give the skill bonus. I realized this is definately a bug in my game when I loaded up the same save multiple times. In this save, there was a skill book that hasen't been read before. 2/5 times, the skill book will work and I'll get the skill point bonus. Most of the time it won't work, and when I read it it's like reading a book you already read so it does nothing. Again, this is from the same save file. It makes no sense that a new skill book won't always work and you can imagine how frustrating it is for me. Everytime I see a new skill book, I get incredibly nervous now. Even though I already knew that there are multiple instances of the same skill book, thanks for mentioning it!

Honestly, the game on pc is great. Yes on pc because TES has been designed for PC and then ported to consoles so please forget about consoles for a sec. I've gone through 109 hours of gameplay and planning to go ahead of 300. Enjoyed it too much. The work they've done is amazing, although I miss huge cities. Anyway, I could fix most bugs by console. Did it like with 4-5 quests. It was even fun. But Dampened Spirits is just outstanding. It can't be fixed with console and it made me quit the game back in the decemeber and not to touch it again. When you manually try to start the quest by typing "setstage tg03 10" etc you get "getinfaction >>> 0.0" error. Seriously ridiculous. I bet Bethesda could have fixed the bug long time ago and let me play. Seriously, but in fear for more bugs of this kind i stopped. I really want to go back but not until you release the patch >:{!

I had the same problem with skill books found. It started when I could not pick up the skill book at the shrine of Stendarr. I since noted that there were other small graphic differences. I believe it is a corrupt save. Unfortunatly I had just deleted all my other saves. LOL Starting over but keeping last 4 saves this time.

my solution is just not to touch another Bethesda game again. The game ran just fine for me in Vanilla Steam auto updated to this 1.3.10 version. Now, to get playable FPS I have to lower the graphics. Before I got more FPS on higher graphics at a higher resolution with AA on. I will be sad to have to do it as Bethesda makes fun games, but their programming is HORRIBLE!

Except it's the same GameBryo engine that they just rebranded since GameBryo went under. But oh look, it has new face animations. It's tiring to hear people make excuses for Bethesda EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. for EVERY. SINGLE. GAME.

I mean, Oblivion still crashes on their Game of the Year edition and that's 5 years after Oblivion's release. You need to download fanmade patches to play Oblivion. You're expecting me to "trust" you that Bethesda will suddenly perform a miracle this time?

Dude you are in a dream land. Glaring issues that is funniest thing I read today. They are onto the next game.

I'm not asking you to trust me about anything. I have no more knowledge about Bethesda and their inner working than you do. All I know is that they actually said to reporters that they know they did a bad job supporting older games, and that they intend to do a better job with Skyrim. This was a number of months ago, so I don't have links handy for proof.

What I'm trying to say is that it's only been a couple of months since release (part of which was taken up by the international holiday season), which is a very short time in software development. Bethesda have done a couple of bug fix releases, and they're working on more. Give them a bit of time to make good on their claims.

What I say is based on more than 10 years professional software development experience, mostly with commercial boxed software. Your opinion is based on what?

Honestly I'd be happy waiting longer for both 1.4 and the CK if it meant the PS3 owners were getting the love.

Huh... The engine came out in 2006.. How much more polishing can it get?

I think it says something bad about Skyrim that it even works on a single core PC. Don't you think it's time to upgrade it?
Pick up some extra hours and save up $200 for a quad core, mobo, and 8gb of memory.

They better fix the grotesque shadows with this patch. I am so six of the ugly, obnoxious, performance crippling, dog crap shadows.

But I am betting they are just going to stay in the mind frame of "modding community can fix it... DERP!"

These are the special people who couldn't figure out /LARGEADDRESSAWARE:YES

I will hope with you, but I think it's beyond their skill level. If asked about 64 bit they'd probably say 2GB is enough, because they are lazy and lack skill. These type of games are just to big for a 32 bit engine and there are many optimizations, file and memory management advantages that could help this kind of engine. 16BG of memory costs less then the game. Perhaps they should conciser help desk jobs, a job more at their level. Bethesda should really hire some skilled programmers, and not charity cases.

The lighting is also bad... You don't need a torch or the candle light spells because they needed to crank up the brightness in dark areas.. All you have to do to see why is change that... A light source behind a person will turn them into black silhouettes.. The engine doesn't let light reflect off of objects lighting the area.. rather then add that they just cranked up the brightness in dark areas. So what is the torch for?

It takes 5 milliseconds to calculate that on a console, even a console could handle it. It's not some new thing.

Don't even get me started on the Shadows. They have the resolution of SNES and on a broken TV(ever messed with the horizontal focus on an old TV).

Given, that on Dec 22, patch 1.4 was "well underway", I have to admit, that it seems odd to me, that we have not heard a peep from Bethesda about what progress they might be making or even what issues they are focusing on.

When I also note the growing number of gamers suffering from unplayable saves after about 17 MB in size, it kind of makes me suspect, that there may be more serious and convoluted issues with the game engine than what Bethesda ever expected, and they might be still scrambling just to make any sense of it. Otherwise I would have expected them to at least inform us, just as a courtesy, about whether unplayable large saves are likely to be permanently lost or not.

My realistic/cynical expectation is, that they are really focusing hard to salvage the game on PS3, and at the last minute they will port a miscellaneous bunch of PS3 fixes over to the PC version, leaving the community to figure out how far those fixes actually carry on the PC.

I hope I am wrong, but I am not holding my breath.

Just re-installed The Witcher in preparation for a new The Witcher 2 purchase and I can't believe how awesome the shadows are in a 4 year old game. Blows both Oblivion and Skyrim away so I'm thinking that this is just one of those areas that Bethesda struggles with in general. They seriously need to throw some additional resources at this issue as Shadows shouldn't be the first thing someone disables in today’s PC gaming environment (which really isn't even possible in Skyrim).