I don't know of a better game director. Todd has done a very good albeit imperfect job.
I am hoping he improves the game and not just expands it when DLC finally comes out.
That's what I read in his, well, laconic words.

Were I in his shoes, would I act the way he did and does? Can't say. Don't really care to dwell on that question.
All i'm interested in is which direction he's going to pursue and all I have now to judge is his statement.

I hope this clears up your misunderstanding of what I wrote.

With these kinds games across all platforms they have issues. Mainly during launch this happens, as the game breaks in more they release patches, but the world is so massive with so many things going on everything won't be fixed all to perfection. The game in itself really is amazing, I don't care which one it is from fallout to oblivion to this, you put the game down one or two days and start back up playing and you can't stop playing for one or two days. People complain more because the web is more accessible and many more people use it for their input, and since people buy games they see commercials of these days *shrugs* what are you gonna do? those are the ones who complain. Not the ones who take it back to much earlier versions of the elder scrolls.

Last bit wasn't directed at you man. As said pre-rant: Much more scatter shot than anything.

And I thought I had answered said question... this is what I get for typing posts out at work.

I would say that they are talking about big expansions... Now the issue is are they content or mechanical expansions. Usually Beth does big content expansions... Doesn't really add in new mechanics. Part of me is hoping that the expansions will take place nowhere new, except for a couple new buildings, but be vast additions on Perks or magic.

Most likely though, they will add new world spaces.

Both have the potential to be amazing, I mean it seems like the world surrounding Skyrim has gone to hell in a handbasket, would be nice for them to flesh out some lore by letting us travel to new locations and kill exotic natives.

Edit:... and -10 points for the six In the City Reference.

Only half? Wow, you give gaming community (if you can call it that) too much credit.

But why? Why should we just take it in as an oh well.. maybe theyll fix things

I came here expecting to read about Pink Elephants in Skyrim. I was thoroughly disappointed.

I'm not pigeonholing anyone, and nowhere do I call you a "hater or a really devoted fan" (idiotic terms) - the point is, you're one of a million people who find it necessary to make the same boring and useless posts about how "bethesda/todd howard doesn't care about us!", when the reality is that people like yourself just like to complain about anything. It's "cool" in your mind to be the black sheep, complaining about nothing, you feel like you're a part of some "movement" of crybabies trying to make the gaming world a bit better, whine by whine, when you're actually just contributing nothing.

That being said, I felt the game was rushed, but I accept it for what it is. I paid 60 dollars for a game that I've already played for 140+ hours and plan on playing many more. As far as I'm concerned I got my money's worth, despite the fact that everyone agrees there are some glaring issues with the release.

As for the DLC comments, that's how the modern gaming experience has been defined. No major changes to coding will occur, no major revisions of story, until they can package it in major installments. If your complaint is "Well, I shouldn't have to PAY for improvements to the existing game", I feel for you, but that's just the way it is. Major overhauls always come with "expansions".

Wow people, grow the heck up.



Your arguments can pretty much be summed up as:

- Evil devs just want money, once they get it they don't care.
- Todd is evil, end of discussion
-Bugs bugs bugs

Only the last one is a valid complaint, everything else is just populist bull who have no idea how businesses operate.

For a company to not care about fan feedback, and pretty much giving their customers the bird after they release a product, is suicide. It's just [censored] and doesn't happen without major problems later.

Todd is a spokesperson who has to say a thousand things a day, and thats extremely difficult to do. Isn't it amazing how quickly people go from worshiping him, to acting as if he killed Christmas itself. Give the man a break, none of the issues brought up have anything to do with him.

Bugs will always be in games, and Skyrim is no exception. I've only ran into one major bug that halted my gameplay progress, that was fixed with a bit of research.


Seriously, Bethesda has some of the most immature fans i've ever seen. They owe you nothing, they release a product, you buy it or don't. They are under no obligation to fix anything, although not doing so would ensure Skyrim would be their last release. you people seem to think you are entitled to the world, just because you want it. Sorry, thats not the way the world works.

Yup. Visions comes on here, at least. Don't know if he reports back to Todd and the team or not. But damn, do I miss Sawyer and Avellone. They checked in on us pretty frequently.

Initial sales maybe but Skyrim shipped an initial 7m copies and then another 3 because real reviews and word of mouth said it was a really good game, not without its faults but worth the money. Compare it's performance with that of Fallout: New Vegas, equally huge publicity but sales fell away rapidly as a result of the game not living up to the hype. I thought it did but that's not what the argument is about, it's about whether Skyrim did and despite the complainants of a vocal minority, for most it has, that's why it's sold out it initial shipment and needed restocking.

Maybe he's too busy crying all over the many, many millions of dollars the game got for Bethesda?

Making the game better huh?
Well Fallout 3 got Broken Steel which broke the balance and the ending and we got Mothership Zeta which was a linear corridor shooter with alienz.

So making the game better...
Hmmm. Each quest gives +1 perk point and then they top if off with a DLC where we play that Harry Potter sport except we ride dragons instead of flying brooms.

This board really has gone downhill.

It seems like for every game, the forums attract the most negative bunch of people possible once the game is released. Considering how many copies Skyrim has sold if even 1% of the customers are unhappy that's enough to produce a deluge of stupid criticisms whether they have legitimate or not.

Most developers know better then to respond to troll criticisms. Those who are stupid enough to respond usually get flamed so thoroughly they learn to not do it again.

There's certainly a lot of little problems it has and those deserve little criticisms. But none are game breaking and most usually aren't even a serious inconvenience.

The only LEGITIMATE harsh criticism that I can see is if it really won't run on the MAJORITY of PS3 machines and even for that I'd like confirmation from somewhere besides this board.

The fact that anyone is on this forum talking about this game is proof that it's good enough for this many people to care about. Bugs, gameplay mechanic issues, ect you're all playing it and most likely will continue to. I'd bet any amount of money that most of you will buy the DLC.

Definite QFT, could not have said it any better.

Let's be realistic, game designers like him can't just pop-in the forums and say certain things. He's part of the whole PR, marketing and all. The only thing he can say is that the game is awesome, unless the game has been out for a while and has already announced a new one. And clearly, he maybe didn't flat out lie, but he did say a couple of things that were not entirely true in interviews. The moment you hit the spotlight in the gaming industry, you can't say whatever you please, you have to maintain a certain image, build the hype, etc. You're trying to sell the game as much as possible.

It's a good point, yours. Because as of now I'm not sure I'll be buying DLC. Not because of bugs - my PC experience has been free of any gamebreaking bugs, glitches or lags - not because Skyrim is a crappy rushed game- it's a very good RPG -, not Because Todd is Evil - he is a great game irector - but because I do not want to buy yet another set of quasi-new dungeons, locations, characters and remarkably similar to the original quests. That I won't pay good money for.

However, if DLC actually ends up improving the game with gameplay enhancements, twists and fixes, for sure, I'll contemplate joining the countless, though predictably fewer than those who bought the original, legions of fans already salivating for DLC.

You see, now, figuring that out is the whole point of this thread.

I personally do not think he has much to say, if people do not like it then thats there opinion, why would he talk about negative points people make when he obviously is positive about this series otherwise I guess he wouldnt bother making them. They do listen to fans but its also their perrogative as the game creators to choose the path of the series, I think most people are very happy with this game.

Critics, do a good job, I just dont expect a very talented person to be made to bow down to them, unless they wish to.

Yeah I know this post was a long time ago but you still seem to be active in the thread so whatever.

No I wasn't implying that people who pirated the game would buy DLC, I was sarcastically stating that that it's guaranteed that the DLC won't sell as much as the game, so you saying that it would make some sort of statement about the game's quality is laughable.

I thought me posting "RIGHT?!" at the end was the most obvious sign that I was being sarcastic as possible without actually posting "/sarcasm"

I blame it on the internet.
Can't hear your tone of voice. Can't see you demeanor.

If you read back my words you'll notice I didn't say SKyrim DLC sales per se were indicative of customer satisfaction (though to a lesser degree, they are). What I did say and maintain is that if you compare Oblivion DLC sales percentage with Skyrim DLC sales percentage and there is a big difference, then that result is meaningful and significant.

If Skyrim DLC cumulative sales represent, say, 30% of the overall sales figures while Oblivion DLC's 70%, then to me that would show a trend of disatisfaction. On the other hand, if such percentage ends up growing from Oblivion to Skyrim in a big way, that would scream Happy Customer in
Big
Pink
Neon letters.

The only complaint I have is the frequent glitches, but I save A LOT so it really isn't that big of a deal to me. The game is still epic and enjoyable.

The game is out, and it has sold very well. Todd's job is long over.

Complete Indifference.

Pretty much. Todd's too busy celebrating Christmas with his family.

I thought you're on lsd or magic mushrooms when I've seen this topic name lol