Pink Elephant in the room : V - Skyrim

» Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:11 am

Ha! And I thought this topic was about alcohol addiction in Skyrim.

» Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:33 am

I will bring this up for I have yet to see a topic about it.

In a nutshell, how do you interpret Todd Howard's silence concerning the harsh criticism SKyrim has recently suffered, both on the tech and gameplay fronts?
True, the game has sold like hot buns and received unprecedented accolades, but they seem just about proportional to the mix of just and unjust criticism.

My perdiction is DLC will still sell like buns out of the oven, but less so than Skyrim. Perhaps a message will get across.

Todd recently had plenty of oportunities to pass comment. Yet, he chose not to but for a laconic line where he mentioned DLC would be directed at making the game better.

What's your take?

Well usually when they release a DLC or an Expansion pack of any kind their is usually a patch that comes along with it. The patch will fix any problems that they have found during the production of the DLC or Expansion pack and possibly any glitches that were reported.

My take on Todd Howard's quote 'DLC would be directed at making the game better'
I believe Todd is true to his word. In Bethesda's past DLC they have added new content and new experiences to the game, which indeed does make the game better.

Now I have a question for you Skyrimer
What is it exactly that you do not like about Skyrim? What is exactly your meaning behind this topic? I know that you expect a decrease in DLC sales, and I know you wanted us to voice our opinions on Todd's quote.
Or am I wrong and it is not a problem with Skyrim itself, but a problem with Bethesda? Also what kind of message are you hoping will get across? From a business perspective if the DLC does not sell well then they would simply stop producing more, unless their is a demand for more.

Personally I think the DLC will sell well. Especially to console players, and they will develop more. I for one will buy it

» Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:59 am

Tsunami of GOTY award and near perfect to perfect scores.

It's the only western title to earn a 40/40 for a Famitsu review. That is huge.

The tsunami of critisism is mostly seen as waves of "Where's Thaumaturgy! Vampires svck! I Only played for 281 hours and i'm already bored!!" type of posters on this board.

That, i'm guessing, is the only thing your gauging your underwater tectonic activity by. Pretty stale man.

Todd and his folks are stoked by the reception. They can care less about a nominal percent of people being pissed about merging gear and cutting acrobatics.

It's like if you wrote a book and people loved it, but it was a mess. So you wrote a sequel that was more polished and ambitious. The sequel is astronomically successful but the people who loved the ketshiness of the first novel are all like, "But your tighter plotting and more concise pacing kills the messy quagmire that we loved from your first novel!"

Let the authors write what they will. It's thier craft. I promise you they care more about thier work than you do.

» Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:27 pm

This board really has gone downhill.

Yeah, it really has let itself down since the 15th of November

I kid.

» Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:27 am

Don't care. I'm very pleased with my purchase of this game.

» Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:24 am

The question is why is Todd so numb-lipped about the tsunami of criticism.

One man's ripple is another ant's tsunami, I guess.

» Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:16 am

skyrimmer, you funny.

nature, you scary.

» Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:16 am

I think this topic just took an arrow to the knee.

I just saw this so I had to say it

http://funnyjunk.com/channel/skyrim/Meme+s+over/cDttDpQ/

» Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:12 am

Well usually when they release a DLC or an Expansion pack of any kind their is usually a patch that comes along with it. The patch will fix any problems that they have found during the production of the DLC or Expansion pack and possibly any glitches that were reported.

My take on Todd Howard's quote 'DLC would be directed at making the game better'
I believe Todd is true to his word. In Bethesda's past DLC they have added new content and new experiences to the game, which indeed does make the game better.

Now I have a question for you Skyrimer
What is it exactly that you do not like about Skyrim? What is exactly your meaning behind this topic? I know that you expect a decrease in DLC sales, and I know you wanted us to voice our opinions on Todd's quote.
Or am I wrong and it is not a problem with Skyrim itself, but a problem with Bethesda? Also what kind of message are you hoping will get across? From a business perspective if the DLC does not sell well then they would simply stop producing more, unless their is a demand for more.

Personally I think the DLC will sell well. Especially to console players, and they will develop more. I for one will buy it

Skyrim is a very good game from the company tha makes the best Open World RPGs out there. Really fun to play for the first 90 hours or so. It's got some great art direction, superb music and I really like the Main quest so far. My PC experience has also been relatively free of bugs and glitches. So far no lag at all.

What don't I like about it?
Tons of small and medium sized things. This is no place for a review but, from the top of my head, dungeons still feel repetitive. Certainly, the layout is different but the architecture is made up of the same components reused again and again.

What message do I want to get across should DLC sell underwhelmingly?
That it's not enough just to expand Skyrim by re-hashing old components into new dungeons/ quests/scenery and to not take the opportunity to review core gameplay decisions that at the time had to be made to meet the deadline but now with a little more consideration and thought on them can now be propperly adjusted and improved.

» Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:32 pm

... the company tha makes the best Open World RPGs out there. Really fun to play for the first 90 hours or so. It's got some great art direction, superb music ...

This is true. :foodndrink:

» Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:48 am

Kerberos? Bioware? Valve?

eww, the attitude of people towards "complainers" is utterly disgusting, marginalizing, downplaying and labeling people having issues as "trolls" and saying since More people are happy than are sad, the sad can go stuff themselves in a corner. I have a question, If the Happy people are happy shouldnt we start addressing the people having problems? its not like the happy people have anything more to offer, we have their money already and they are satisfied, how about we tend to the unhappy customers?

Beth doesnt owe us anything? *COUGH* You paid money for their product, if your Product is not delievering are you REALLY going to keep the mindset that they don't owe you anything? really?

I'm sorry that is just utterly disgusting.

Yes it is an elephant in the room, because 3 patchs and the majority of the fixes are Book shelves, Marriage and undoing the damage of a previous Patch. not to mention they tried to make a joke out of it this time? the days of "funny bugs" are over Beth use to have a predispositioned Character of some jolly folks just making their way around and releasing games, their near anonymous existence prior to Skyrim Made these Bugs laughable and tolerable. but now that "Beth" is gone going on many years now, AND the lime light is on them, time to stop smirking and get things done.

Bethesda does owe you exactly nothing. They released a game that won plenty of awards. Just because you personally didn't enjoy it doesn't mean there's something wrong with it. It's specifically that kind of self entitled attitudes that gets people "labeled" as whiners or trolls.

» Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:28 am

other then ps3 lag which they moderately fixed and ive found the reason 4 i havent seen any problems
y should the dude comment
talk is cheap no talkie more workie
if u can prove he is sitting on his rear ill support your argument
but im more likely to take an arrow to my knee

» Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:48 am

When they announced at Blizzcon that the next expansion would be a year long King-Fu Panda joke, there was a flood of criticism on the forums. Literally thousands of posts from hundreds of people bemoaning the direction. Well, that and the assinine push back towards a Horde-Alliance conflict... but i digress.

WoW has several million players. 400 people, while it seems to be alot when picking through posts, amounts to a piss in the pot. Theres no reason to address the concerns of an extremely small portion of the gamer base when the majority are content, if not impressed.

The same goes for Skyrim. The majority of players like it. There are some frusterations with glitches, but thats part of TES gaming. Bethesda will fix what it can until it can get the CK out, then the community will fix the rest.

Theres really no reason for anyone at Bethesda to personally address the complaints of a comparitivly small portion of the Skyrim community, when it can address the complaints of the majority. The majority complain about glitches, so thats the focus, ballance and broken promises be damned.

» Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:11 am

I'm not. Yet I certainly wouldn't shut up because you tell me so. Maybe your kids do.

The question is why is Todd so numb-lipped about the tsunami of criticism.
And, surely, he can sort out legitimate from unjust accusations.

This game has sold, like, 10 million copies. At most, I have seen 200 (500 being generous), people criticising it. Of that, 50% is fair criticism. If I was Todd's boss I'd be giving him a massive bonus about now and telling him to enjoy his Christmas and take it easy in the New Year.