I'd rather if they kept the Michael Bay transformers effect only in the movie. And not Fallout. Jus sayin', I am hoping there won't be any Optimus Prime like baloney in F4 too, no matter how epic with its assplushns and lazors it looks to youngsters.

I think Libby wasn't along the lines of Transformers but along the lines of gamesas's penchant for having giant stompy things in their games: Numidium in Daggerfall, Akulakhan in Morrowind, Mehrunes Dagon in Oblivion...

And it still doesn't address the point of a continuing motivation on the part of the Courier toward the possible endgames, which was the original point. NV and many other RPGs have underlying narratives. You can role-play a background in NV, but it will always be outside the narrative. This is fine if you only ever plan on wandering and enjoying the sandbox.

The bottom like is you're a nobody courier who inexplicably goes after someone who just put a bullet in your head. Why? Revenge is a good reason, but that'll only take you so far. What's the chip? Good reason, again only takes you so far. Now what is the motivation to keep helping the NCR, the Legion, House or Yes Man up to an ending? This is especially true for the NCR and Legion considering the reasons they give (or don't give) you to help them and what they don't give you before and after the game ends. I can understand if the House and Yes Man paths are a gamble.




[Medicine] I'm sensing a lot of hostility toward father figures. Would you care to discuss this further?

Wow.

Ignoring any personal daddy issues in this comment (and I'd honestly recommend anyone with such issues explore this topic in therapy), you've answered your own question. If you or your character has issues with caring about your father (which is natural to most human beings, mind you, that is, caring for and loving one's parents), then you can choose not to help him even after finding him, wander the wastes never finish the game or sabotage his life-long work because of your hate for him. As you yourself have illustrated by this comment, feelings for one's parents is a powerful motivating factor in everyone's life.





Yes, it's a start, then what? as I've already pointed out.

And again most people care or have strong feelings about their parents or at least one member of their family on some level. There's no question that the Lone Wanderer's conflict with his father is a powerful and realistic motivator.





This entirely misses the point I was making. No one needs to quit. You can wander and enjoy the sandbox as much as you want, but if you decided to play the narrative you are confined to it and its issues.

I disagree. Only the House ending implies true rewards where you can say, Yeah the Courier really did well for himself. All the other endings are basically comparable to that line in the movie Say Anything: "She gave me a pen. I gave her my heart, she gave me a pen."





This was never about equating one ending in FO3 to NV. NV can and should have a totally different story with completely different awesome endings. It doesn't. I understood the good ending in FO3 to about self-sacrifice (in contrast to self-entitlement, something for you to think about) even before Ron Perlman exposed that theme in the end just for the few who weren't paying attention, and it worked well within the narrative.

Yes, this is General so all I can say is "She gave me a pen".




That's true. Of course, he's self-motivated. House has a great deal of meaningful motivation. The point is he at least bothers to tell you about it in detail. The NCR and the Legion do not.




I think you're referring to specific ending. This is a different one. Also, it could just be an inconsistency in the writing.




Compromise is fine obviously, but that wasn't the point I was making. A hero doesn't have to be a self-sacrificing hero. He can do it for incredible fame and fortune. The Courier with the exception of the House ending (and maybe the Yes Man ending with some imagination), gets very little in return for his efforts. He loses by winning, so in the end it truly is like a trip to Vegas.



Yeah, the difference is every other NPC wasn't going around talking up the event, nor did you have to go around and ally with or eliminate factions in anticipation of some epic battle.

The problem with no backstory is no forward impetus. After I kill Benny, what reason am I given to go forward with ANY of the quests? Sure, there's a lot of them but why would I do them? Some people confuse complexity with quantity. It's not a complex story line by any means, and with no back story, I can't find it engaging. I find the side quests to be far more engaging, and that's kind of disappointing. Like the entree being better than the main.

Having said that, I found the gameplay better in NV, but the actual ambience of the DC ruins to be more enthralling. FO3 would have been beyond brilliant had the 2 been combined, plus a storyline with more endgame choices.

Oh look, another Oblivion nerd who's never played Fallout 1 or 2 because they're not Oblivion With Guns and were made before he was born and thus thinks Fallout 3 is the baseline from which New Vegas is deviating (when, in fact, NV took Fallout back toward its roots.)

I also like the way some people are complaining about the lack of motivation with the Courier character when Oblivion gives you even less motivation to engage in the main quest (and I get the feeling it's primarily TES fans who are claiming that F3 is better than NV.)

Fallout was never supposed to be a game were you are the hero, only the designated the of your vault/tribal village, after thatm you can do EVERYTHING to achieve you quest

Also the West Coast dont feel apocalyptic because people here was nearly reconstructed the "civlization" (NCR specially, where their Capitol City, is totally no apocalyptic, the same thing with New Arroyo, Vault City, San Francisco)

In the East Coast, is obviously enough that the people refuse to reconstruct it, but now that Project Purity is activated, maybe its time to move on, maybe FO4 dont feel totally apocalyptic, because a lot of years passed, and they must be reconstructed some cities at this time

lmfao, oh man. that gave me a good laugh :]

i came in fallout 3 as well, but i have to agree that New Vegas is superior in all aspects. the dialogue in New Vegas is much better written than fallout 3's often-moronic replies. the game, to me, allows more control of my actions than fallout 3 did.

nope. the human race couldn't survive a FO3 world. everything you drink and and eat is radiative. the human race would be extinct long before the time line of FO3 took place. the world of FNV is more believable.

You should see the Oblivion threads where someone even hints at Fallout..... like sharks sniffing blood. They think Fallout New Vegas has less dialogue and skill depth than Oblivion.... OMG that is total blindness. Oblivion melee = rockem sockem robots, oblivion alchemy = survial/medicine but 10x more overpowered and it is not hard to be invincible by using magic since you can make crowds of enemies attack each other then go invisible..... ya completely balanced game with lots of depth. I guess freedom and depth to mean "playing a game with cheat modes enabled".

Oh my Ciryc

thats true, really?

:facepalm: now they want to make differences between TES and FO?

nah, that is their auto-response when I try to bring up adding bonuses to players when they attain high levels in skills.... they automatically say "SPECIAL is not TES!" even if you do not mention it or even remotely suggest that it should be.

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Comparing FO3 with FNV is for the General forum - http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1146863-fallout-nv-vs-fallout-3/