I think you missed the point...

The point was: there isn't a issue with being forced to use steam, the issue is that you failed to look up the requirements before you purchased the game.

No, I don't think I missed the point

I understand that people simply called "It's written right there in the box. Either you live with it, or you don't buy it"

To which I call crap. This is not about whether we read the requirement or not. We simply did not have any other choice

You wanna play Skyrim? Steam
You don't want Steam? No Skyrim

What else can we do? It's like given the choice whether to live tormented everyday or die without anything to do in afterlife

Steam should not be a requirement. heck, it should not be opt-out. It should be opt-in. Steam by itself ain't so bad. having to run Steam to play is a different story

Yeah, you missed the point

Originally the achievements were supposed to give you gamerscore points you could spend on games and dlc. That turned into another M$ joke. You have to buy seperate points still and you can't use the ones you earn for s**t. I have 18K plus on my 360 just to sit there and look pretty and impress morons on XBL. The achievements IMHO turned out to be nothing but for childish bragging rights instead of what it was meant to be.

For me the game uses around an minute before it start if I'm offline it has happened a couple of times. Then the patch came out it was some overload problems and the game did not start so I took it offline and played.

Now if it download patches even if set to "no autoupdates" that is real bad, might if you use SKSE you have to wait until it's updated to before playing again.

It's nice to see people being unhelpful once in a while.

Usually, people would tell which part is wrong, but some people just don't have what it takes to do so

This is basically the reason i won't be buying Skyrim on PC, at least not any time soon. I have no internet connection at my house, I have to go places to sign in and post such as I am now. If I go to the store and buy a PC game, I should be able to install and play it without having to sign online to deal with all that Steamy crap. It's a single player game, I should be able to play it by myself, without the internet.

Bethesda told is that we needed Steam to activate Skyrim. Unless activation is needed, Steam should not be needed, online or offline.

I can change my computer and still play. I can select computer parts I want, and still play. I can hook up devices that help if I'm visually impaired, and still play. I can set up another account with the electric company, or I can run a gas-powered generator, and still play. And if not, I can work at it myself to overcome these shortcomings to make the game work again.

But I must keep a Steam account if I want to play the game. If I switch digital distributors, I can't continue playing the copy I have. If I lose my Steam account, even if I get another one, I cannot continue playing the copy I have. I cannot legally work around this no matter what, regardless of how much a Steam account is actually needed for the game to function or regardless of how easy of a problem it would be to work around. It is an artificial restriction that makes it illegal to continue using what you paid for.

Huh? I did a few posts back

So if the game was free then steam would be ok to use?

You obviously have no idea what a DRM is, do you?

If you already have the game installed go to your Skyrim folder and create a shortcut to the TESV.exe file.
The game will run without Steam and its a legit file that was shipped with the game so you are not breaching any EULA.

Could you mayhaps give me a lesson on how to pull this off? I personally don't want to be in a position where I am unable to play a game that I spent $50 on just bc of lack of internet or steam going down

The problem is that we all knew we would be forced to use Steam to activate Skyrim, OK, we shrugged...but then we were ninja'd, no announcement AT ALL, by a patch that forced us to be logged into Steam to run the game. And as others have said, whether you put Steam in offline mode or not, it has been known to arbitrarily put itself back online whenever it feels like it.

Legally speaking, those EULA's are hysterically funny, they are so outrageously in open defiance of consumer law that I doubt any European judge would be able to bang down his gavel and give judgement against the EULA without bursting out laughing. It is not unusual for EULA's to have to be drafted differently for Europe than they do for the United States. Even the XboxLive one is VERY different, so even M$ realise this.

Does that direct shortcut to the TESV.exe still work? I didn't think it did if you are patched up to date.

problem is on your PC

check patches/admin option ...etc the works

Try running Steam with the "-tcp" option to force it to use TCP for all the connections to the backend. It might be more friendly with your naziwall.

Uninstall steam and see if that works.

But GfWL were pretty easy and *legal* to disable. There are a few programs for that on nexus. And once disabled, you could get on with your life.

If I run TESV.exe directly, a Steam window is opened (for a second) and then the launcher is opened.

Look at http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/News/289163,ubisoft-hates-you---drm-servers-to-die-next-week.aspx.

So why do Bethesda FORCE us ALL onto Steam? Let`s consider this.

There is no logical reason to force Steam on anyone for this game. Even a company wouldn`t do it unless there was a financial benefit somewhere for them. Why lose out on the few who would PAY if the game was not Steamed? Apparently they are not good enough for Bethesda. But Bethesda are not the only ones, more and more companies are going this way sadly.

So there has to be a monetary advantage for them somewhere and their dishonesty is in not revealing what it is.

I really hate to think what things will be like in 10 or 20 years when Steam will be like some gigantic guargantuan company through which every game developer will be FORCED to register with and put his game through and no independence is allowed and every potential games player will need some kind of passport to register for a game via Steam. A day when no game can be played unless it has the STEAM seal of approval.

And WE will have no say, as it is getting now as Bethesda ignores our words.

And a bunch of fat shareholders will sit on top looking down on us all, laughing to the bank.

It will be sad days indeed.

Neither a jet fighter or Steam have anything to do with a single player game, and neither should be required to play a single player game.