So why would they make a compromise on two very different accents and not compromise between Israeli and Middle Eastern which would sound very similar?

yeah, and everybody is going to automatically assume, "voicepack - English? oh, that means accents..." your semantics are killing me. Having it as "British," makes it crystal clear to the player that voice packs are accents, not language. Besides, here in the states, a lot of us don't say you have a 'English' accent, we say you have a 'British' accent.

Thanks for telling me to shut up, I'll stop discussing it now. Oh wait, I'm not a 6 year old...

You clearly fail to understand my point, again. I hope this is merely a problem at my end, I'll try to explain better. "British", for me as an Englishman, has always meant a citizen of the British Isles. Now this includes England (a country), Scotland (a country), Wales (a country), Northern Ireland (a country) and the Republic of Ireland (a country). Now, each of these countries has their own accent. There is a Scottish accent, spoken by the Scots. There is a Welsh accent, spoken by the Welsh. There is an Irish accent, spoken by both the Irish countries (with some variations). Finally there are the English. Now, in the Isles of Britain, when I refer to my own accent, I call it an English accent. Because, believe it or not, the English had this version of our language before other countries started speaking it.

For an example, you say that I can't use the phrase "English" because other countries speak it, and that wouldn't make sense. That would be true, had we been talking about what language they speak. But we are addressing the point of accent. I'll bullet point:

• I am English
  
• My friend is Scottish
  
• When I speak the English Language I speak it with an English accent.
  
• When my friend speaks the English Language he speaks it with a Scottish accent.

You also say "Everyone" is going to assume that English = the Language, I doubt it. Every single person in the British Isles will realise what it means. But I understand how people from other, non-British countries might fail to see this - as you have shown. I don't mind the devs calling it "British" to make things easier for Johnny foreigner.

Well then that's a problem with the states, not in-game semantics. And semantics,however deadly, are important. If you didn't want to get involved in semantics, you shouldn't have tried to defend your list that clearly has problems. For instance, your original argument that English may confuse people as it is also a language spoken by a lot of other people. Well what about french? You've listed "African" as an accent somewhat laughably, however: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Francophone_Africa.svg Here is a pic showing the extent of French as a main language in African countries. By your argument that would also cause confusion.

I think we should just agree to disagree. Clearly this isn't going to get us anywhere as you still believe in your view from across the pond whereas we have our view from within the Isles. You know. The actual people you're talking about. And seem to know so much about.

this is where semantics come in - English accent and British accent are the same thing to many people in the US - and since "English" is also a language, "British" lets people voice packs are accents.


That's great, not everyone is an Englishman...


I didn't imply it wouldn't make sense, but that it would cause confusion.



Oh, you got me...The British Isles would realize - that's like 99% of the consumer audience /sarcasm...."everyone" didn't actually mean "every single person on the face of the planet," it was meant to imply "a majority."

I didn't say that it should be put in the game.
I didn't say it would be the most convenient for everyone.
I didn't say it was what most people perceive it to be.

I said that an English accent is correct, whereas a British accent is innacurate. Clearly you are unaware of Illogical Fallacies, in this instance the Appeal to Popularity

wow, you guys are something else....If a player see's "French" as a voicepack, he knows he is either going to speak French, or have a French accent - there is no confusion in that. And since voice packs are accents, "French" is appropriate. So even if you were in Africa and spoke French - it would still be French, not an African dialect. Besides, the devs are going for "majority," not every single dialect on the face of the planet. A majority of people will see "French" and know what to expect. On the other hand, seeing "English" as a choice, people could assume, American English or European English - there is already confusion. Basically, we are using different words for the same meaning - and since "British" is actually the word they used for in the game, your arguments fall short.

And an African accent is hardly laughable, since a guy has it in the container city vid...


it's a video game dude, not a congregation of scholars...

everybody stop acting like little kids and get over it. its not that big of a deal

Just name the voice packs after their respective countries/group-of-countries of origin, instead of going by what the accent is called here in America or in the UK. Easy peasy.

America
England
Australia
France
Africa
Germany
Canadia
etc.

:foodndrink:

And thus the escape from an intelligent argument

I don't mind as long as the "British" voice pack is actually English rather than Welsh. I'd probably return the game if that was the case.

thats most likely what will happen. the developers are from England too so they feel the same way as you do

No, American English is not just about how you say it, but what you are saying, how you spell it, what the words mean etc etc. My argument does not fall short just because they used it in game, that's what I'm arguing against. Clearly you aren't capable of accepting this. British is not an accent. Just because some people in one country (by your account at least) see my accent as "British" doesn not mean it is the only acceptable way of going about it. Anyone with an iota of intelligence knows what an English accent is as opposed to a Scottish or Welsh accent. To suggest that they do not know is either insulting as they are not that stupid, or depressing as they really are that stupid. If what you say is correct and the majority of americans see it as a British accent, then I sympathise. And judging by your comment on this being a video game and not a congregation of scholars, I'm going to have to leave this argument at that as I fear the person I was debating with is not as intelligent or articulate as I thought. Don't bother replying "shut up" as you did before, your comment has shown me that you're backing down so I will accept your withdrawl from the debate.

It's been fun, now if you don't mind I'm going off to speak with a British accent.

I certainly hope so. In actual fact I wouldn't mind if the voice pack for Resistance was Welsh instead of English, then I could enjoy shooting them and their funny voices even more

:brokencomputer: Calm down, all of you guys. Geez...it's not like we're discussing politics or religion here; there's no need to get so riled up about what the accents may or may not be called.

The way I see it, as long as everyone can easily tell the difference between the various accent choices, then it's all good. It will probably be called British though, because all of the characters will be speaking English, so calling one accent English would be confusing to everyone not from England.

well since voice packs are just accents, what I say and spelling are moot.


Welsh probably wouldn't have its own accent in the game, and just be tied in with "British," and "Scottish" would have it's own. Yes, I know what an "English accent" is, but it doesn't matter what you or I understand, what matters is what is the simplest way to get it across to the consumer, and since lot's of people speak English, I can see some people being confused on what exactly "English" means. Having it as "British" seems to get the message across to most people - even people like you, who may not agree with it, but still understand what they mean. I hope you can excuse the developers for not being "politically correct."

So long as there is a sub-menu under British for English, Scottish etc etc than I'll be happy. But I'm not gonna hold my breath.

Which I respect Hatter, and should hope that they do. I was merely arguing about which phrase was the (at heart) the most accurate to describe it

there will most likely have british and scottish and irish and maybe welsh instead of all of them bunched up into one voice pack

irish and scottish, yes. Welsh, probably not.

Why would they have welsh in the game? was unaware there were any sheep on the island.................... jks....

But seriously, English accents...... what sort? in our tiny island, we probably have the largest variety of accents in the smallest amount of space and somehow i dont think any of the brink characters will be speaking like the Queen. Technically Scotland, Ireland and Wales are different countries, But i highly doubt their will be a Welsh accent in game...

Please not Scouser...

I am closing this little flamefest of folks insulting one another's intelligence and dishing folks way of speech and such.