Does Anyone Speak Greek?

Post » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:25 pm

Probably not, just the quote on the gun. Maybe graham's bible could be written in greek?
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Post » Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:29 pm

Probably not, just the quote on the gun. Maybe graham's bible could be written in greek?

wouldn't doubt it. as a preacher its better to pull from the Original language with out the politicking involved in various English translations (in many translations of the bible, things were changed for secular political reasons (biggest offender is the King James translation, but Im sure the original Roman Catholics did a number on the original works as well)
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Post » Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:44 pm

So, is there something connection between Greek language and HH's stroy?


The Bible.

Unlike the Koran and the Torah that its the Word of God and so no mistakes can be ever made in copies, Christians are "kinda" loose on that regard and so things get ... complicated as for centuries there never was a "definite official version" of it, so why Greek? because when someone got around to do it they used the Septuagint (or LXX) that is the oldest of several ancient translations of the Hebrew Bible into Greek that is from around 356-323 BCE.

So if you want to go "pure" with the Bible, you have to know Greek since its the oldest base of the Old Testament, Latin is not going to cover all the bases (even of technically you should know Hebrew instead).

But that is not all, the Mormons use the Authorized King James Version that also primary translated from Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic texts.
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Post » Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:25 pm

The Bible.

Unlike the Koran and the Torah that its the Word of God and so no mistakes can be ever made in copies, Christians are "kinda" loose on that regard and so things get ... complicated as for centuries there never was a "definite official version" of it, so why Greek? because when someone got around to do it they used the Septuagint (or LXX) that is the oldest of several ancient translations of the Hebrew Bible into Greek that is from around 356-323 BCE.

So if you want to go "pure" with the Bible, you have to know Greek since its the oldest base of the Old Testament, Latin is not going to cover all the bases (even of technically you should know Hebrew instead).

But that is not all, the Mormons use the Authorized King James Version that also primary translated from Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic texts.


I might also add that the Latin Vulgate is itself a translation of a translation (Aramaic to Greek to Latin). The reason for all of the different renditions of the verse that someone so thoughtfully included on a previous page is that words very seldom translate cleanly from language to language, especially for more abstract concepts (a horse is a horse, of course, of course...) going into more informal, everyday language. If memory serves, the translators of the King James version did not try to render into everyday language, which accounts for some of the "clunkiness" that people experience with the KJV. I rather like it, but I'm strange (hey, I play video games, q.e.d.)
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Post » Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:11 pm

Theres also another Rare weapon in it to its called...Arrêt!

Its a unique service rifle
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Post » Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:53 am

Theres also another Rare weapon in it to its called...Arrêt!

Its a unique service rifle

Might I ask for proof?
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Post » Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:22 am

If memory serves, the translators of the King James version did not try to render into everyday language, which accounts for some of the "clunkiness" that people experience with the KJV. I rather like it, but I'm strange (hey, I play video games, q.e.d.)


I think the issue with King James Version is the "Kings James only" movement that can be a bit nuts, it is after all a 400 year old book so its not going to render very well into the everyday English of the 21st century even if it did back then.

The rest ... its a translation into English, choices were made and its largely a non-issue since the Bible is not considered to contain the exact words of God, I only pointed out the King James Version because its what Book of Mormon used.

Anyway that is why the use of Greek when comes to Bible references is understandable since those Greek texts are the basis of the Bible and so using the original text in the original language is closer to the origin as one can get.

Edit:

As for Colonel Martyr's question ...


http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110512143951/fallout/images/thumb/a/ab/Arretriflefiring.jpg/830px-Arretriflefiring.jpg

Sorry but it seems I cannot paste the link to the wiki page as it breaks.
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Post » Sat Apr 30, 2011 4:32 am

So basically, the translation from greek alludes to http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvilCannotComprehendGood?
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Post » Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:18 pm

Might I ask for proof?

Well, I don't know if it's called "Arret" or not, but there certainly is a unique service rifle shown in the trailer. It is clealy a service rifle, but with just enough of a skin change following the precedent of other uniques to be relatively certain of what it is. It has the french word for "stop" carved into the right side of the buttstock and looks to have a much thicker and shorter barrel than the vanilla service rifle. There is some speculation that it may be chambered in a round larger than 5.56mm.

-Gunny out.
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Post » Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:13 pm

Does anyone else find it odd that greek is appearing in Honest Hearts when it is expected for Odysseus (van buren) to appear in OWB (with Argos or Diane maybe appearing as a companion?). Is there going to be a greek theme for the rest of the dlc in some way? I wonder if it is a hint towards the future these greek references.

I will admit though I like the idea of a Greek tie for Graham and a roman one for Caesar it seems to fit somehow. However Graham in the trailer specifically says right hand of God and was previously a mormon missionary so not sure what his greek connection could be. I think the idea of the greek hinting towards the future of OWBs is more likely.

who knows though this is just me speculating.
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