1. Hmm my character is a blade assasin and it is even more silly, atleast with archer you don't instakill them and they have a small chance of rataliation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO7Ch2sk1AA
2. I've been playing on expert from the beginning with no custom items. Only reason why I'm not playing on master is because it just increases the time it takes for me to kill them (I'm unkillable).
3. So assasins don't need potions, warriors don't need potions but mages do need potions? Well done Beth.

This has been a very one sided topic but i thing the OP has a fair point. From what i've seen the 'hard-core' roleplayers want a lot of features that would make the gameplay worse IMO (required eating and sleeping etc.) and are passionately against things that could improve gameplay for non-role-players (perk reset comes to mind but lets leave that to the other topics that focus on that, ). I'm not saying that anyone shouldn't role play as there are a lot of positives but don't force that style on the rest of us.

Skyrim is a role-playing game, that is why I role-play. I don't need to justify why I role-play in an RPG, but I will. I like to feel like I'm living in the world of Skyrim/Cyrodiil/Morrowind whichever game I'm playing, I understand The Sims is great for customisation and all but it is the world in which Bethesda have created that makes us want to roleplay, there are many classes and different ways to play the game and overall Bethesda give us a great platform to role-play in an RPG.

It is supposed to be a role playing game so I don't think it's wrong for people to want RPG elements.

Even in D&D you have different types of role players. Some want to role play stopping to eat, sleep, etc. Others just want to explore while others want encounters almost exclusively. There is no right or wrong, there is only opinion. I think many see the TES series as a RPG that is becoming less and less of an RPG experience so they speak up. I'm one of those but I'm not interested in role playing my character needing 3 meals a day or pooping in the woods, however I do want better story, more robust quest lines and more factions. I don't want the compass, I want the game to give me maps or dialogue to tell me where something is so I can explore and find it, not be given a magic marker that shows me where to go.

Is what I want wrong? Is what you want wrong? The answer is "no". What other option do we have but to voice our opinions and try to get enough people on board to make a change?

I don't se eanyone asking for these to be mandatory implementations. At least I dont nee dthem to be.

Well said.

So not only are you telling me that I should play a different game if I want to RP, but you are also arguing with me about my feelings on game mechanics?

You're an incredibly arrogant troll, aren't you? Boring life you must live...

Simple: Skyrim is a FANTASY game with a new world. I can't speak for other roleplayers but for me, although I eat, sleep, drink, and get married, I always take into account it's a fantasy game. I do things that I can't do in the Sims like worship Sithis and be an assassin.

The Sims is too much like the real world. You fall into a routine, not to mention I don't want to stroke EA's ego by buying the expansion packs every five minutes. At least Bethesda expansion packs for Fallout 3 actually added new content that would take more than 30 minutes to discover.

My father appreciates the plug here.

Sims: More of a God complex than a role play. It's hard to become a character that I'm looking at through the house and usually controlling multiple characters. Personally, I hate the game.

Skyrim: it's a singular player experience matched to a unique fantasy world along with strategy. It's easier to feel you're in the seat of your character then going "Damn... I need to go to work. -right click car-".

Instead we should sit back and allow you and others like you, the more casual gamer, to get what you want without a fight? I can certainly see why you wouldn't feel the need to complain and speak up, the series moves more and more in a direction you can appreciate.

Oh and for clarification, I think being forced to eat and sleep would make the game play worse. That isn't a feature I would support, especially since it's easy to remedy with mods. At least for PC.

No I'm not telling you to play a different game. I'm suggesting that if you like eating and sleeping, making a family with kids and pets, creating your own home and having intrigate relationships with other non player controlled characters I think you would love sims as it has many gameplay elements that support things you like but if you like killing things skyrim might be the better game for you.

That is the flaw in your argument right there, you say "if you like killing things Skryim might be the better game for you" TES series has never been about just killing things, it is about the lore, the story, the quests, the characters and the character development. If you want a game to just kill things, I suggest Call of Duty or a similar FPS.

haha, yep.

Ironic fail is ironic.

Watch the 40 minute 'making of Skyrim' documentary and watch Todd Howard's DICE keynote.
Listen to the intent of the developers as explained by the developers in relation to playing this game.

Listen to the games creators explain how they wanted players to approach their game.

The people you are telling to play the Sims are actually playing Skyrim the way the creators intended.

1. I role-play in real life. I have a real job, wife, kids, etc. I don't want to do the same thing in a video game. I like to role-play where there are dragons, magic, vampires, etc. That's why.

2. Don't complain about being overpowered. You're the freaking dragonborn. Its like Superman complaining that no one can give him a challenge. Here's how to fix it if you want to "role-play" a non-demigod. Never, ever put any points into health. Never smith anything. Never enchant anything. Never use alchemy...

Good luck.

This is true. Bethesda has worked tiressly to create the only true open world game that you can play for hours without ever doing the main quest.

The world and lore. Plus, it's easier to build a connection to my character. I do enjoy playing the Sims 3, good game.

If I don't role play I'm a casual gamer? I'm not sure I know what you mean? Just because I stick to playing within the confines of the game and don't have to use my imagination to make the game fun doesn't mean I'm not playing it seriously (if thats what you meant), I just put more effort into finding loot and leveling up which is the gameplay foundations of a RPG.

changing topics?
if you wanted to make a thread to complain you should have that way everybody would have avoided the topic

I like the world of Skyrim. It's not role playing in general I enjoy, it's the fact that I'm doing it in such an awesome world that makes it enjoyable.

Ok, I will change it for you, instead of "casual gamer", I will label you someone who is playing an RPG who doesn't care so much for the RPG elements. You want loot and to level your character and while those are elements in the game, they are not what many of us place at the top of our priority list. You say you don't role play, and yet you are playing a role playing game. Why should your ideas of what TES should be carry more weight than those who actually want to role play?

That was his original thought of the post. He just masked it with a question. Really all he wanted to do was complain.

To the original poster, if you don't have the imagination to role-play, sorry for your luck. I challenge you to find a better game than Skyrim. Are there things that I'd like to see improved upon? Absolutely. Sneaking is one of them. But there is no other game, and really its not even close, that delivers such a deep world as and Elder Scrolls game. No other games immerse the player as much as Skyrim does, at least in my opinion. And even with its bugs and setbacks, its still one of the best games I've ever played and I will continue to play it for a long time.

I don't think my ideas do carry more weight and I don't want to stop anyone playing how they want to play, I'm just trying to get a better understanding of how others play the game. And yes it is a RPG so yes to an extent i do role play that i'm a dragon born battle mage that has to save the world but thats not the point of this thread, which is more about taking the RP elements further than the scope of the game.

Morrowind is far better than Skyrim, except for the graphics. But Story and Options far exceed graphics.