I'd give it to Jygalag for raw power with Molag Bal as second. However, Hermaeous Mora is arguably more dangerous than either considering he knows almost everything. Knowledge is power after all. He most likely knows of a strategy for taking down every other Prince save Sheogorath.

Sheogorath is the only Prince that I see havering a shot at him because he is completely unpredictable. How can you determine the fate of somebody that literally can take fate and turn it into a song bird.
Sheogorath is also possibly as strong or stronger than Jygalag, considering he is basically a corrupt form of him that gained its own personality. He managed to defeat him during the Greymarch as well. (It was in their shared realm so you can't use the argument that being in SI gave him an advantage) The only reason he seemed mortal after Shivering Isles is to keep the gameplay balanced. (Even then, you get a spell that essentially prevents you from dying)

So I think:
Sheogorath>Hermaeous Mora>Jygalag>Molag Bal>Merunes Dagon>Boethia>others>Peyite.

I said Akatosh was All Knowing, not HM.

If he was all knowing he wouldn't have wanted the Skaal secrets.

Edit: Is Akatosh all knowing? I mean, he seemed to intend for Miraak to kill Alduin but that didn't work out. Wouldn't he have seen it coming?

Akatosh is crazy, so he may be all-knowing (or he's not) and just simply acts against himself occasionally. Don't know what the deal with Alduin and Miraak are and their relationship to Akatosh.

Maybe Time isn't linear, and in one timeline Miraak did defeat Alduin. It's all very complicated to figure out an Aedra's motives, especially when they're an Aedra that is in charge of time itself. One could argue he let Miraak do his thing in our timeline, and put in the Dovahkiin as a counterbalance to him.

I'm pretty sure Alduin is one of Akasosh's crazy other personalities. The dude's schizophrenic as hell. Miraak is Aka's first attempt at sending a Dragonborn to deal with the mess Alduin was making. It didn't work out, and shortly later Alduin was lost in time, reappearing thousands of years later. Akatosh sends you as Miraak's replacement in a second attempt. This is why both you and Miraak are more powerful than Alduin. Akatosh created both of you to defeat him.

Much of this is hinted at but not proven. Some is.

I don't think so. Miraak's own words claim that he didn't defeat Alduin when asked to.

You misunderstand me.

with Jygyy I can see why they wanted him dead, Order doesn't tolerate chaos/change the other Daedric princes are Change, this irked Jyggs OCD complex and I can see him encroaching on all that lay in his field of view, annoying his brothers. so common enemy? beat him down and alter him. none master the art of change like the Daedric princes, and even though Jyggs actions of chaos to order is a form of change? its an affront to being a Daedric prince I'd gather.

Reread it. I did indeed. Sorry friend.

I think you can take out a Daedra permanently. Their souls are in this circular loop that allows them to regenerate their forms (at least the lesser Daedra are). If we were to somehow cut off the Daedra's power, we could technically KO them permanently.

You can't kill a Daedra because killing them would be to kill their sphere of influence. For instance, to kill Mora would be to kill knowledge. Or killing Dagon would be killing destruction. They are basically their spheres incarnate in a form that we can comprehend. You don't know what destruction looks like. So Dagon takes on the form of a giant, four armed monster in mundus. It doesn't make sense to kill a Daedra and would dramatically alter or even ruin the world.

It isn't so easy to beat Hermaeus Mora... Perhaps, except one way. Obtain forbidden knowledge.


Hermaeus Mora was denied knowledge by the Skaal and that truly disturbed him. He needed leverage and he finally gained that by the presence of Miraak and yourself. Miraak was the "hook," the threat of his return; "the line." You gaining knowledge to stop him; "the sinker." He put the Skaal between a rock and a hard spot... And that's how he gained their knowledge.


Turn the tables; Gain forbidden knowledge that he does not hold/have and bargain with him. Being that you can't really 'kill' him, you can still win in that sense; Perhaps, the trade would simply be 'give Storn back the life you took from him and you'll get your forbidden knowledge.' That would at least steal some zeal from Herma Mora... Perhaps you could even ask for the return of Miraak for that uninterrupted duel... Just be wary after that though... You've made a deadly enemy.

Ergo KO; sort of like with the golden saint/dark seducer quest of the Shivering Isles.

Nerevarine = Beat a Daedric Prince

Champion of Cyrodiil = Became a Daedric Prince

Dovahkiin = Is a Daedric Prince's b****



I hate to see how the next protagonist looks.

We'll be a scamp.

You do understand... you can't kill a daedra right?

" But there is one they fear ( shows picture of all unpleasent daedric princes), in their realm he is DovahScamp, Daedraborn!

You could if you achieve CHIM.

Or we'll be a disgusting bastard child of Molag Bal and Vivec..

Talos Y U NO KILL MOLAG BAL

Questionable... but possible.
Yet it remains questionable.

That's part of the point of the DLC. That HM is the only real winner. And don't try to go up against him, look what happened to Miraak. You can't take down a Daedric Prince, much less the Prince of knowledge and fate. I thought it was a nice little twist. And no, HM killing Miraak is not a DEM, a DEM is when a seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and inexplicably solved by some brand new character/object. Miraak was not an unsolvable problem. It was not suddenly solved, we knew we had to gain the knowledge he had as well as get HM's help, and HM was not a brand new character.

Didn't you hate how the protagonist was always doing these larger than life feats?

Basically like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFIDVMYx34o

P.S. the Daedric Prince being the Bull/Meg.