School/Work Internet filters and restrictions.

Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:14 pm

At our school you can't even use the Run program or the Command Prompt.

Fail. :lol:
I can understand the command prompt slightly, but the Run, why :P
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Andres Lechuga
 
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:26 am

If you think this is bad enough, there's some law that's people are trying hard NOT to get passed something called Protect IP that the government will allow business to potentially shut down any websites that break any laws etc. Of course it's a thing of rules but they will completely change the face of the internet. Things like Twitter and Facebook will be extremely censored because of people sharing images from some big business, links, protests, conversations, etc. It's a big overly complicated network of censorship to stop people from humiliating companies on the internet.

I'm not too sure about the exact details but I guess that's the gist of it. It may not sound as bad but literally everything will change. People won't be able to just Google and save as, anymore, things like FrostWire will get shut down, everything will have a price tag. The internet won't be the piracy hub it is, but to get rid of piracy and defacement is to get rid of everything that is internet.

EDIT: Here's an example. If that law got passed, the link to my current avatar would have been shut down because it is 'copyright' material from The Hunger Games series. That's how messed up things will get, can't even render an image without permission.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:21 pm

EDIT: Here's an example. If that law got passed, the link to my current avatar would have been shut down because it is 'copyright' material from The Hunger Games series. That's how messed up things will get, can't even render an image without permission.

Thats why it'll never get passed, the internet was meant to be for military purposes anyway but for what ever reason its in the public domain now.
I don't know where your from but I heard America was trying to pass something like this, I don't know what the effects on the rest of the world would be if this gets passed but if every other country followed suit then the internet would be a barren cyber wasteland since all major sites containing valuable information, like wiki, would be shut down as they possibly don't have the authority to supply said information. Its all about the Gov filling their pockets with shiney coins and feeding the banks, sooner or later money will become as useless as it should be and hold no value compared to real things of use.
Enough deviating into a political discussion now though :P
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:09 am

Fail. :lol:
I can understand the command prompt slightly, but the Run, why :P



Run--->cmd, thats why.


Ive never seen one locked that tight but Im certain it can be beaten.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:46 pm

We didn't have restrictions at my high school until my junior year. Even then it was easy to get around them with either a proxy or just typing in the IP address for the site such as myspace so it would look like: IPaddress/friendID. It worked. :shrug:
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:01 am

At my old college it wasn't that bad. Although they did block access to command line. Although they made a rather large security flaw. You could access c drive by making a shortcut to it, apparently they thought no one would be able to access so there was no protection. We could have deleted everything or messed up the registry. Instead we left notepad docs taunting them because we prefer riddles over chaos apparently.

High School was worse. They even had a censorship filter on our e-mails. A really bad one, I could set it off my talking about cockpits and the likes. Which I did alot just to annoy them.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:53 pm

If you think this is bad enough, there's some law that's people are trying hard NOT to get passed something called Protect IP that the government will allow business to potentially shut down any websites that break any laws etc. Of course it's a thing of rules but they will completely change the face of the internet. Things like Twitter and Facebook will be extremely censored because of people sharing images from some big business, links, protests, conversations, etc. It's a big overly complicated network of censorship to stop people from humiliating companies on the internet.

I'm not too sure about the exact details but I guess that's the gist of it. It may not sound as bad but literally everything will change. People won't be able to just Google and save as, anymore, things like FrostWire will get shut down, everything will have a price tag. The internet won't be the piracy hub it is, but to get rid of piracy and defacement is to get rid of everything that is internet.

EDIT: Here's an example. If that law got passed, the link to my current avatar would have been shut down because it is 'copyright' material from The Hunger Games series. That's how messed up things will get, can't even render an image without permission.

No matter what they do It will be impossible to completely control the internet there still will be sites uncensored. Didn't they say many times in the past they will censor and block the internet I think they are just talking.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:05 am

I can't even get to the school filters, every school computer I've been on had been the slowest piece of [censored] ever, all the while having its little "posted for in 2010 by your tech fund" sticker on it.

:facepalm:
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:53 am

Even proxies are banned at our school computers. A website I needed for research had a gaming section of it, and therefore was filter. Filtered because it a journalism of games, not actual flash games. Sigh.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:02 am

Let's, instead of teaching responsible usage of the internet, take away anything that anyone might find offensive or be unrelated to school. I'd prefer they teach everyone to fish, so they don't get phished.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:37 am

As a network admin, I want to keep my domain free from anything "nasty". Not only does doing that make my job easier, it also helps with overall production.

That being said, I also have a degree in management so I understand some concepts that a lot of people who are in management don't understand. One of those concepts is Theory X versus Theory Y. Part of Theory Y is assuming that your employees will not take advantage of you, therefore allowing them some freedom at the office will improve overall morale without being a major detriment to productivity (in some cases, the increased morale will actually improve overall productivity in spite of the fact that the employees are not working for the full 8 hours).
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:58 am

If you think this is bad enough, there's some law that's people are trying hard NOT to get passed something called Protect IP that the government will allow business to potentially shut down any websites that break any laws etc. Of course it's a thing of rules but they will completely change the face of the internet. Things like Twitter and Facebook will be extremely censored because of people sharing images from some big business, links, protests, conversations, etc. It's a big overly complicated network of censorship to stop people from humiliating companies on the internet.

I'm not too sure about the exact details but I guess that's the gist of it. It may not sound as bad but literally everything will change. People won't be able to just Google and save as, anymore, things like FrostWire will get shut down, everything will have a price tag. The internet won't be the piracy hub it is, but to get rid of piracy and defacement is to get rid of everything that is internet.

EDIT: Here's an example. If that law got passed, the link to my current avatar would have been shut down because it is 'copyright' material from The Hunger Games series. That's how messed up things will get, can't even render an image without permission.

So America want to destroy the Internet?

God, I love my country.

Also I think your username would be copyrighted and taken away, and my name, and Frodo's.
THE GOVERNMENT IS GONNA TAKE AWAY OUR (Internet) NAMES AND FACES!

Also DepryMail.org would be shut down...

How is this legal?
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:40 am

I also remember when people were given a reasonable amount of time to write papers; say, months of time for a lengthy paper. Now? You're given a couple weeks WHILE you're still piled with other homework.

So this "good ol' days" bit would be fine if, y'know, you got the whole package. Instead, as ease and speed of access has increased, so have the expectations. In the end, it doesn't get any easier.


I am always given at least a month to do major assignments. On top of exams and other tests, and assignments. It isn't that hard to go to a library and pick up a couple of books and read through the sections you need. I always leave the assignments to the last minute and I still get them done and I get good marks.

Yes the internet has made it easier, because every book is at your finger tips, but I also know alot of people that just copy and past other peoples work. If you are going to legitimate sites by legitimate places, then there should be no problem with fitlers.

I don't use school compters for research, I use my own. When I was in grade school we only had one computer with the internet and it was in the library, with dial-up. In highschool we got the net for all compters, back when every website you went to had a thousand pop-ups, I think it was even before google came out. I am not evern that old, I am going to be 26 soon.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:00 am

So America want to destroy the Internet?

God, I love my country.

Also I think your username would be copyrighted and taken away, and my name, and Frodo's.
THE GOVERNMENT IS GONNA TAKE AWAY OUR (Internet) NAMES AND FACES!

Also DepryMail.org would be shut down...

How is this legal?


It isn't the government that wants to do this, it is the publishers. Places like EA, Activision-Blizzard, Bethesda, Universal Studios, Disney, Sony, and anyone else who publishes media content. They believe that they can force everyone to pay them licensing fees and they have the lobbies around the world to try it.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:04 am

So America want to destroy the Internet?

God, I love my country.

Also I think your username would be copyrighted and taken away, and my name, and Frodo's.
THE GOVERNMENT IS GONNA TAKE AWAY OUR (Internet) NAMES AND FACES!

Also DepryMail.org would be shut down...

How is this legal?

Anything representing copyright material from a company or organization can be shut down by that company or organization. They remove the links, so my username would either be a non-working link or changed completely. Speaking of going to websites by IP, that's the only way around this whole government thing, the IP's would still work but the actual links won't. Oh and the US isn't the only country doing it, people believe that even if this law doesn't pass in the US, other countries might try this. If one does this, we all have to do it because the internet can't be blocked on one part and open in the other can it? If the US does do it, it's for sure that other countries will follow.

Plus, the US is the country that invented internet despite it being a world wide thing.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:37 am

I don't think my college filters network at all, but I DO know for a fact that they don't allow programs access. Can't even connect with Steam.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:33 pm

I'm not sure about at schools, but I'm old fashioned enough that I have no qualms about restrictions at a workplace.
You don't know how many people Twitter/Facebook from work. It's ridiculous. If I was their employer and saw someone wasting company time and expense (if you're using their computers, that's not your home ISP you're using at the office, y'know) to socialize on the internet they'd be fired.

In this day and age, in many lines of work, employees do need some internet access, but they don't need access to Steam/social etc. type stuff. If they want to do that they can use their iphones/ipads at lunch on their own WiFi.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:42 pm

I'm not sure about at schools, but I'm old fashioned enough that I have no qualms about restrictions at a workplace.
You don't know how many people Twitter/Facebook from work. It's ridiculous. If I was their employer and saw someone wasting company time and expense (if you're using their computers, that's not your home ISP you're using at the office, y'know) to socialize on the internet they'd be fired.

In this day and age, in many lines of work, employees do need some internet access, but they don't need access to Steam/social etc. type stuff. If they want to do that they can use their iphones/ipads at lunch on their own WiFi.


Oh, I don't mind the filtering at all on school/work computers, but I very much dislike when they limit what you can do on your own device.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:56 am

I admit I didn't read the entire thread....if places are blocking your ability to use your own phone, that's no good, imo.
Altho, if I saw an employee sitting in their cubicle who repeatedly wasted more than the very occasional minute on their personal ipad, they'd still be fired. :rofl:
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:11 pm

We can not let this atrocity happen!

Edit: talking about the censorship and copyright thing here.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:04 pm

Oh, I don't mind the filtering at all on school/work computers, but I very much dislike when they limit what you can do on your own device.

It's not your device.


In the case of connecting to public wifi: Do you pay for the Internet? Nope. They have an obligation to guarantee the best quality of service to all users, which involves limiting bandwidth hogs like youtube and facebook games. They are providing you with a service, you agreed to the terms to use the service (believe me, every single public wifi has terms), so you have no right to complain.

HOWEVER: I do think some school filters are just stupid, as they interfere with being able to do research. That's the exception to the rule, not the rule itself, though.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:46 am

It's not your device.


In the case of connecting to public wifi: Do you pay for the Internet? Nope. They have an obligation to guarantee the best quality of service to all users, which involves limiting bandwidth hogs like youtube and facebook games. They are providing you with a service, you agreed to the terms to use the service (believe me, every single public wifi has terms), so you have no right to complain.

HOWEVER: I do think some school filters are just stupid, as they interfere with being able to do research. That's the exception to the rule, not the rule itself, though.


Actually, it IS my device. It is NOT my connection though. And actually one could say that, if I make a purchase at a restaurant with WiFi, or, say, pay thousands of dollars to attend a school, then I am indirectly paying for said service. And I have every right to complain to said college, considering the exorbitant fees they charge for tuition. WiFi is technically part of those fees.

So, yeah. :P

Supposedly the college I attend also monitors ALL network traffic, not just from the school computers, but also from private ones connecting to the network as well. And I don't just mean browsing history either, I mean that they supposedly save every single bit of data sent, from passwords and usernames to private emails sent from private devices. Computer services has been 100% silent on these accusations though, neither confirming them nor denying them.

Although I imagine that could be filed as an invasion of privacy, all depending on if it's true or not.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:40 pm

Actually, it IS my device. It is NOT my connection though. And actually one could say that, if I make a purchase at a restaurant with WiFi, or, say, pay thousands of dollars to attend a school, then I am indirectly paying for said service. And I have every right to complain to said college, considering the exorbitant fees they charge for tuition. WiFi is technically part of those fees.

So, yeah. :P

That would be the second category. And as I said, you gave up your right to complain when you agreed to the ToS (it's in section 5 subsection e, clause iii :P)

Supposedly the college I attend also monitors ALL network traffic, not just from the school computers, but also from private ones connecting to the network as well. And I don't just mean browsing history either, I mean that they supposedly save every single bit of data sent, from passwords and usernames to private emails sent from private devices. Computer services has been 100% silent on these accusations though, neither confirming them nor denying them.

That would be pretty much every single provider running a NIDS/NIPS (network-based intrusion detection/prevention system), it by definition monitors your traffic. Believe me, you want this, not don't want it.

Monitoring != archiving, there is a distinct difference

Also anything you send over encrypted https cannot be seen anyway, so long as you are using https (or ssl for your smtp-based email client) for your email, they can't see it. -- basically all gmail accounts and most hotmail accounts would be unreadable (all free yahoo accounts are readable in plain-text). The email protocol is inherently insecure unless you add security, so there is no such thing as private emails.

if you're worried, though, set up a VPN, not hard to do :shrug:

Although I imagine that could be filed as an invasion of privacy, all depending on if it's true or not.

Except you agreed to it all in the ToS...
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:05 am

I don't think my college filters network at all, but I DO know for a fact that they don't allow programs access. Can't even connect with Steam.

If they were blocking something like instant messenger protocols then I can see that as restrictive, but Steam uses a large amount of bandwidth if people download large games so it's understandable that they would block it.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:39 am

If they were blocking something like instant messenger protocols then I can see that as restrictive, but Steam uses a large amount of bandwidth if people download large games so it's understandable that they would block it.

blocking ports of things like IM and IRC is highly advisable, as it's the most popular method for botnet communication (they are, after all, a free communication service designed to send messages....)

Just throwing that out there for why a place would want to block IM/IRC ports.
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