School/Work Internet filters and restrictions.

Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:58 am

blocking ports of things like IM and IRC is highly advisable, as it's the most popular method for botnet communication (they are, after all, a free communication service designed to send messages....)

Just throwing that out there for why a place would want to block IM/IRC ports.

Ah, I didn't know that. :sweat:

I don't know what a botnet is either...
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:58 pm

Ah, I didn't know that. :sweat:

I don't know what a botnet is either...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botnet
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:39 am

That would be the second category. And as I said, you gave up your right to complain when you agreed to the ToS (it's in section 5 subsection e, clause iii :P)
That would be pretty much every single provider running a NIDS/NIPS (network-based intrusion detection/prevention system), it by definition monitors your traffic. Believe me, you want this, not don't want it.
Monitoring != archiving, there is a distinct difference
Also anything you send over encrypted https cannot be seen anyway, so long as you are using https (or ssl for your smtp-based email client) for your email, they can't see it. -- basically all gmail accounts and most hotmail accounts would be unreadable (all free yahoo accounts are readable in plain-text). The email protocol is inherently insecure unless you add security, so there is no such thing as private emails.
if you're worried, though, set up a VPN, not hard to do :shrug:
Except you agreed to it all in the ToS...


You know what I mean. :P

The insinuation on campus is that they're archiving it.

And I'm fairly certain that the campus does NOT have a WiFi ToS posted. Which is it not required that it be posted/easily accessible? I should imagine that would be the case.

If they were blocking something like instant messenger protocols then I can see that as restrictive, but Steam uses a large amount of bandwidth if people download large games so it's understandable that they would block it.


They don't just block Steam, they block any program trying to access the network.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:09 am

You know what I mean. :P

The insinuation on campus is that they're archiving it.

And I'm fairly certain that the campus does NOT have a WiFi ToS posted. Which is it not required that it be posted/easily accessible? I should imagine that would be the case.

It would either be a form you filled out when you started going there or it should be on any launchpad/portal/login page that appears when you join the network, as a link perhaps.

They don't just block Steam, they block any program trying to access the network.

I assume by that you mean they've closed all ports but port 80 and 443
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:32 pm

It would either be a form you filled out when you started going there or it should be on any launchpad/portal/login page that appears when you join the network, as a link perhaps.
I assume by that you mean they've closed all ports but port 80 and 443


I don't recall signing a ToS when I started, and I'm not sure about the launcher. I'll check tomorrow.

And yes.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:48 pm

Just on an unrelated subject. I imagine most brittish users would be shocked to learn they're using a "Censored" version of the internet. something like over 90% of home connections are censored according to a list maintained by the "Internet Watch Foundation". That said the list is basically kiddy porm and other sorts of extreme porm that its illegal for you to be looking at anyway so it really has no effect on everyones everyday life.

The school filter has directly interfered with my academic success by doing this.

"Need quick easily accessible information? BAM I BANNED WIKIPEDIA!


Actually Wikipedia as great as it is is more of a hindrance to your academic performance. You should be only using proper sources that can be authenticated. You should not be using it as anything more than a springboard (by heading straight to the references section and reading those).
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:26 am

Remember the good old days where there was a thing called books, and those books were housed in a building called a library?

You mean that place where the free internet is?
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:51 pm

Run--->cmd, thats why.


Ive never seen one locked that tight but Im certain it can be beaten.

Back when I was in high school on an NT4 network We'd "Bomb" people with the Net Send command. Create a little batch file that reruns itself and bang 10000 annoying popups on the screen of the user of your choice - and they have to hit OK on every single one before they can continue......
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:19 am

My school got crafty with the admin account glitch and blocked it from being possible from a student account. They also have two seperate internet filters. One of them blocks links and images that link to restricted websites, the other one has the largest database of proxy servers known in the world and sorts them into groups and blocks by categories. The list of ones that I know are blocked by the filter blacklist are shopping, games, URL Databases, Social Networks, Videos, File Sharing, Forums, porm (obviously), any proxy address, IP Cameras, Image Databases, Bittorrent sites, E-Mail outside MS outlook,and music websites of any type.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:38 am

And yes.

I'd say set up a VPN. You should be able to set up OpenVPN to use port 443 (which'll be open for https connections and unlikely to filter). This will effectively take your computer off the school network an onto your network. So long as there is no clause about bandwidth overuse (and of course you can meter this), there shouldn't be any ToS violation, as the ToS is about their network and maintaining QoS, and a VPN will take you effectively off their network and QoS won't be hindered so long as they don't limit bandwidth.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:50 am

It is pretty dumb.

I actually only got proxies when I noticed these forums were blocked; never need them before because we have FarmFive.com for flash games.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:52 am

Also, when they say it's to stop you from getting on sites with "malware" it's kind of the bussinesses fault for using MICROSOFT AVG as their anti-virus...
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:33 pm

Also, when they say it's to stop you from getting on sites with "malware" it's kind of the bussinesses fault for using MICROSOFT AVG as their anti-virus...

Even if that made sense from a product standpoint, any sysadmin will tell you an inch of prevention is worht a million miles of detection and removal. As such blocking malware is vastly more effective both in terms of man-hours and effectiveness than any Antivirus is.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:36 pm

So because of censorship, I had a poorly informed and terribly illustrated power point that counted as a test grade.

it's not censorship, why? because you dont have a right to use that equipment, you are given the privilege of using that equipment, and that privilege does not include complete access to the internet from their building
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:29 am

it's not censorship, why? because you dont have a right to use that equipment, you are given the privilege of using that equipment, and that privilege does not include complete access to the internet from their building


Privilege =/= being told to use their equipment in class and not yours.

And depending on the situation, such as a college class, I would argue, as I said previously, that considering the amount we college students pay for our education, we should have access to a service that our money goes towards. As an example, if you paid extra for a cheeseburger, yet there was no cheese, should you not be able to dispute the placing of a dairy product within the sandwich? I should think so.

Given the fees levied for college education, the institution shouldn't limit our access to the services our money helps fund. That, or our tuition cost should be lower.

Does that make sense? I'm tired and my brain is somewhat drained.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:51 am

Privilege =/= being told to use their equipment in class and not yours.

That's a liability thing. You DON'T have the privilege to use your own equipment, BUT you do have the privilege to use the services provided. The place does not provide the service of BYOD -- which, I might add, is something not allowed everywhere and forbidden in a good many places. BYOD is a relatively new concept and there are a lot of arguments against BYOD related to liability, QoS, and security.

And depending on the situation, such as a college class, I would argue, as I said previously, that considering the amount we college students pay for our education, we should have access to a service that our money goes towards. As an example, if you paid extra for a cheeseburger, yet there was no cheese, should you not be able to dispute the placing of a dairy product within the sandwich? I should think so.

Given the fees levied for college education, the institution shouldn't limit our access to the services our money helps fund. That, or our tuition cost should be lower.

Does that make sense? I'm tired and my brain is somewhat drained.

your fees don't go to the Internet, the go to the Internet + the filter. So you are paying for what you are getting. (using your anology, the Internet is the burger and the filter is the cheese. The place doesn't sell plain hamburgers)

You are, however, welcome to get your hamburger elsewhere (as in buying a 3G wifi hotspot or the like)
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:56 am

your fees don't go to the Internet, the go to the Internet + the filter. So you are paying for what you are getting. (using your anology, the Internet is the burger and the filter is the cheese. The place doesn't sell plain hamburgers)


For whatever reason my mind has completely blanked on this. :blink:

I guess the main point I'm getting at is that we can complain/protest the filtering and censoring of internet at college due to our paying for a service rendered. Just as we can complain to our own cable company if we aren't getting satisfactory service.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:19 am

I guess the main point I'm getting at is that we can complain/protest the filtering and censoring of internet at college due to our paying for a service rendered. Just as we can complain to our own cable company if we aren't getting satisfactory service.

The difference is you are paying for filtered internet (quite literally -- It does take efforts to filter, run a captive portal, and deploy NIDS). It's like complaining that your basic cable subscription doesn't get HBO -- you aren't paying for all cable channels, you're paying for the subscription you selected -- a subscription that doesn't include HBO.

So, as I said, you want unfiltered internet, get a 3G dongle. Otherwise you are getting the exact service you were promised so have nothing to complain about.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:56 pm

The difference is you are paying for filtered internet (quite literally -- It does take efforts to filter, run a captive portal, and deploy NIDS). It's like complaining that your basic cable subscription doesn't get HBO -- you aren't paying for all cable channels, you're paying for the subscription you selected -- a subscription that doesn't include HBO.

But there's never anything good on HBO.

Internet freedom on the other hand is a necessity.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:04 am

But there's never anything good on HBO.

Internet freedom on the other hand is a necessity.

And you can have your Internet freedom on your own dime, not your boss's. Filtering the Internet is to protect your assets. I, for example, filter my own Internet of my own volition, and I can almost guarantee you do too.

Internet at work is to get work done, anything else involving the Internet is either a security threat, a bandwidth hog, or a productivity hinderer.
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