Nah, it's just Talos talking.

I am a pc gaming elitist, all my friends ever here from me when we're hanging out is "Holy -blank- wtf is that? is that a rock? it looks like it was rendered for the N64! Man why do you guys own those outdated paper weights?" most of them are buying a pc this year just to see what I keep going on about. (I'm building them for them, they just pay for the parts.)

As much as i love what Bethesda creates, it is the PC modding community that keeps me playing these games for years on end. Once you play a game over and over again it becomes stale no matter how great that game is, but with the CK we will see so many mods come out over time you will always be able to have a fresh and exciting experience.

Indeed. The only thing that prevents me totally recommending the PC is Steam otherwise, it would be no competition as far as I`m concerned.

I've been gaming since 1985. My gaming experience started with a controller, for an Atari 2600. When I first started gaming for the PC, it was the keyboard and the arrow keys. Then the keyboard and mouse and now it's an XBox controller. I've come full circle from starting with a controller and now back to a controller again.

I agree that mouse and keyboard give you more control but that isn't enough of an incentive to make me want to play a ported XBox game on the PC.

Plenty. The stability issues come mostly from poorly made scripted mods, and those can't be made until the CK is released. (The mods containing scripts out now are made by people who know what they're doing )

Too many mods to go trough them all, really. The question is: what do you want to change or add to the game? The motto for Bethesda's games is "There's a mod for that ^tm"

I pity you, you damned modder!

Gimme one mod that is great, or three, so I can have a future in this game. I'm near the end and I would need more challenges.

Please!

Call me crazy but I like steam, I have even re-purchased some of my favorites on steam just to have em in one place. o.o;

One mod, no more bloody potatoes or tomatoes in random barrels or chests, either nothing or a little bit of gold....or a nice explosion!

Im 50/50 on steam. I like the handyness and the uniform place to keep games and the ability to download any game I own if I dont have a disc handy, and the option to play it anywhere I am just by logging in. I dont like enforced online activation for offline games, I dont like being tied in for "life" with a game that I have the legal right to resale of, and I dont like that I can at any time be barred from accessing the content I have payed for and it becoming unusable which is little more than legalised theft.

If steam didnt lock me in for life, and could never stop me playing games I have payed for I would be its most avid supporter. But its doesnt so I avoid it when I can, and only use it when I must for a particular game.

I'm a PC gamer elitist and proud of it

I'm one of those 'Skyrim is for the nords PCs' types (heh)

I mean lets face it, the 360s hardware is now 6 years old. What else in technology remains viable for SIX years?!@ The console is basically to blame for the lack of continued non-linear growth in the graphics quality of games today.

On the other hand, the console is also to be credited with the massive uptick in game sales. It certainly removes a barrier to entry for would-be-gamers ($1500.00 for an OK gaming rig vs. whatever $300.00 for a console + controllers)

Sorry you can't mod the game though Consoles are basically appliances specifically built to prevent modifications of any type. Matter of factly, the xbox 360 contains an 'efuse' such that if you try to modify the behavior of the base system, you can wind up with a 'brick'.

Out of curiosity, how would steam lock you out of playing a game you bought? And the digital distributor I absolutely hate has to be Origin, they overcharge for everything and is the reason I don't own BF3 and might not buy ME3.

I actually grew up not playing video games, didn't get into gaming til San Andreas came out (I would have been around 15 at the time, I had done my growing by then ).

Well, unless playing CoD1 on my grandads PC a few times counts?

Would be nice to go back to then, I thought CoD1 was AMAZING back then, these days it's all anyone ever bangs on about. That, and fricking Halo.

I used to be PC gaming only but because sports games, such as football and boxing and racing, have been removed from the PC I was forced to buy a console. Now, very few games are designed soley for the PC, they are all designed for the console and then ported, very crappy I might add, to the PC.

I have yet to find a game that has given me the incentive to rebuild my broken gaming rig, which has been broken for 4 years nows. Every game I have wanted to play has been designed for the console or it uses the virus called STEAM, which I refuse to install.

So because of game designs and STEAM I'm forced to a console.

It tends to lock you out of Offline mode for the absolutely dumbest reasons.

Just because Origin is worse doesn't mean Steam isn't bad.
Before this ends up getting locked for turning into a console war - Honestly, I don't give a damn about the graphics. Art direction matters. Render resolution does not.

Honestly, I like how the Consoles are "Holding Back" graphics and the advances of technology. They're forcing games to innovate and function more efficiently, instead of wasting computer resources because they apparently have plenty to spare. Not all PCs are top-of-the-line, either. My desktop is older than my Xbox... My first one, not my 360.

Never ran into that problem, though I don't try offline mode very often. That really has me thinking now...

No need to wait. Add them while you are playing this character.
Nexus Mod Manger makes installing mods almost trivial.

SkyUI helps with the inventory interface.
Glowing ore veins is very useful.
There is a mod that adds an enchanting table to the house in Whiterun, and another that adds a forge to Proudspire manor in Solitude.
Better Females by Bella prettys up the world
There are already a number of map improvements (like roads)

All this before the Creation kit has come out. Future mods will be awesome for Skyrim, making it a whole new game.

You can transfer XBox 360 saves to PC.

Yeah, well, nope.

Yes, the crappy console ports are painful... Crysis 1 was a PC game... Crysis 2 was a console game ported to the PC. Dragon Age 1 was arguably a PC game that worked on the console. Dragon Age 2 was clearly a console game that was ported to the PC.

What keeps it going for me are games like Civilization V which are clearly NOT console games and never really will be. Also, although I have not played them seriously since my EverQuest addiction from 1999-2001, MMOs will be PC games for the foreseeable future. Finally, I think the RTS genre is still quite dominated by PCs.

So really, it's the shooters and sports games which are migrating in droves and its taking my beloved RPGs with it.

Where the travesty begins for me is that the *average* console gamer wants a more shallow experience than the *average* PC gamer. This is a generalization, but more often than not true. This *does* cause a streamlining of games over time. We can argue it until we turn blue in the face with fanbois lining up on both sides of the debate, but the facts are the facts

What about salt piles, lavender, jazbay graqes, juniper berries, etc...?

I enjoy opening a barrel to find alchemical reagents

Hmm, game code efficiency went out the window when code was no longer written in assembly language of the underlying processor(s). This happened sometime in the late 80s/early 90s

But seriously, part of the reason that 6 year old hardware *does* run games so well is that its a unified platform with no hardware variability. Game authors can expect a consistent hardware interface and do not have to plan for some users who have a NVidia GTX 580 vs. an older 8800GTX or some such.

p.s. if your desktop is circa 2001 (xbox 1 days?), than you might as well just turn it off? That's 10 years old! You'd be lucky to be able to even play a flash game like farmville on it

--Randall

Oh look, we've gone from OP impressed with mods to Steam and platform discussion, why am I not surprised.

To the OP, just wait till the CK is released, there's going to be some amazing stuff, I can't wait to get my hands on the CK and start on a couple of my own ideas.

Sorry, but 'mods' and platform choice are inseparable discussion points

I dunno why people complain about steam though - it means I don't have to wait 3 days to get a game since GameStop doesn't even *stock* PC games anymore and I don't even know if bestbuy does any more.

That doesn't exist yet, but is being planned. Not sure about explosive traps, though