Now that Skyrim version 1.6 has gone live what are the changes for modders?

I've been told the NavMeshBug has been squashed, is that true?

What else can be found?

Unfortunately, the Creation Kit has not been updated for compatibility with version 1.6 yet.

But as for the NavMesh bug, yes. It has indeed been fixed.

Navmesh bug is fixed, but that code was already in the CK at 1.5, so that doesn't count.

The greatest change to the CK is the fact that there are no changes at all.

Well, at least the patch broke the roombounds and portals in my dungeon, making the rendering buggy. I've been struggling for a week to make them work perfectly and now this.

There have been no changes to the CK on this patch yet. Which is an issue since the INCC subrecord that appeared with the game update is NOT SUPPORTED yet with what we have.

if you've already downloaded the 1.6 official patch, i would WAIT on doing anything in the CK until it is updated. i learned the hard way when 1.5 went live.

Perhaps I play with fire.... but so far the sea of errors thrown by Update.esm aren't an issue with editing stuff.

1.6.89 fixed the problem I was experiencing with 1.6.87 causing references dynamically assigned to a reference alias to stay permanently persistent.

I don't know if this has to do with 1.6 but since Steam updated things to the newest version my ForceGreet characters run around like they're being attacked, instead of running up to the player.

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(This is using a fresh game as well)

thats a relief, otherwise we would have been effed with memory residue buildup

My game is currently updated to the beta 1.6 and I have been using the CK without any discernable problems since 1.6 beta release. Although I have been working only on a personal mod that may or may not see a release by the end. I didn't dare risk working on my main mod.

But so far, no problems at all and I have put in about 50 hours of work on landscaping, NPCs, navmeshing, AI, new dialog, texturing, interiors etc... As the live 1.6 has no changes from the beta, it should be fine for basic editing....but use at your own risk.

One small thing I'm noticing--can anyone else confirm?--is that some sort of "universal silent voice" system now seems to be in effect: dialogue without audio voice files doesn't just blaze past anymore in-game, but instead each line stays on-screen for 5-10 seconds.

in the past, there hasn't been this long of a gap between game update and ck update was there?

should i assume there wont be a CK update?

I was thinking the same thing... Usually it's instant, or very quick. They've all gone home which means if there is an update it wont be today... I can't wait any longer to do work, so I'm backing everything up and continuing like normal...

Since some of the CK changes relate to the DLC, it's possible that there is more that Bethesda need to take out in their version of the CK with this update than in past updates, in order to provide us with our stripped-down version.

Also this update seems very hastily and haphazardly done--there's the serious dialogue glitch, there was no mention of the 1.6 update on bethblog.com, a Twitter update with the news only went out an hour ago, etc. It almost feels like Steam jumped the gun before Bethesda was ready.

Eh not really. The DLC changes would be either engine based or esm based. The engine based ones would be patched in, since we either cannot access them or they are free to all (i.e. mounted combat), and the esm based ones would be contained in the DLC's ESM that you obviously only get if you purchase the DLC.

I agree that it seems like something shifty happened here. Like Xbox getting the update out of the blue, then us getting it kind of half assed randomly, and I don't think there is any word on Ps3 yet?

There is either some serious communication issues, or someone has gone bonkers.

I'm more inclined to think everyone thought they were in a mad rush and needed this to go live for PC immediately when it could have stood another weeks's pounding on it. I just wish they'd push CK betas out with the game betas when it's dead obvious new records are involved.

Also, no, I haven't noticed any sort of "silent voice" effect. Then again, I've generated blank sound files for all the lines I've written.

I can confirm a silent voice effect on my mod (no sound files generated).
That's neat!

Now need to wait an updated version of the CK...

That just made my day!

I know this is in another thread somewhere, but they....fixed... the waterwalking actorvalue so that it behaves like Oblivion/Morrowind whereas you literally walk on water now as opposed to being able to "skip" across water but still sink. I know this is an engine change, but some modders (me included) had gone ahead and used the original implementation, giving up hope that it would be fixed, and actually grew fond of it. This has, unfortunately, caused unintended consequences for our mod users that have upgraded to 1.6.89.

-MM

I have not updated yet, I'm cheekily leaving steam in offline mode until there are a few "all clear" posts in the forum

That is good news about the built in silent voice. I'm going to go into my mod now and remove the silent audio files. This will make the overall file size much more acceptable now it's not filled with all these unnecessary wavs.

- Hypno

AddForm() for LeveledItem now sticks across saves.

Have you done any testing with Revert--does it revert to the list as defined in the .esp, or to the list as it was in the last loaded save? (I can test this myself, of course, but not until tonight, so am wondering if anyone else has tested already.)

Yes I have posted this else where. It may be a known issue but in the Mod I was working on I had added a condition to the WIcourier quest Dialog area so that the courier would deliver my quest start. It was working fine until I upgraded to the Beta. Then the Whole WIcourier quest seem broken. After troubleshooting I found that if I edit one of the Dialog's, say add a condition afterwards that is the only Dialog that the game see's in that topic and it will not use the others... It also breaks the voice from playing and does subtitles instead.
If I edit all the Dialog under the same topic then the whole quest dialog works ok but with no sound only subtitles. This applies to the scripts on the dialog as well meaning if I change only one of the dialog entries and the other five I leave alone yet one of them has a script that script wont run....

Voice in my mod is silent as well. Vanilla voices work, but my mod ones dont. I'm playing an esm from before the patch, so it's something wonky in the new EXE or something. Hopefully this will be fixed soon...