If your son is the kind of RPG fan that I am, and it sounds like he is, get him Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura for PC. That is the ultimate RPG for true RPG lovers and it can be purchased online for $6. A CRPG to me must combine video game interactiveness with role playing, meaning, the actions you the player's choose to make are what make the role you are playing. Today any game with swords, magic and level ups is labled by the sellout media as RPG. I saw articles in PC gamer calling Diablo 3 the big RPG of 2012. How could anyone call a click fest like Diablo an RPG? well it has swords, magic and level ups....

get your son these games in this order:
Arcanum
Fallout 2

And thats all there is sadly

No on the story and choices, yes to the customization, to a point. SKyrim has shallow characters, story, and it's quests are pretty much linear, and very little choices you make have any effect on the world, but the environments are pretty, you have lots of things to choose from equipment wise.

No


Action adventure dumbed down for consoles.

You are aware the term action-adventure encompasses countless games from various generas?

RPG's can be action adventure games they are not mutally exclusive.

Fixed

Makaan - Yes, but not everyone can master it like the Th'um.

If you're really worried about any type of "outcome" situations, you should give Mass Effect series a try. As ultimately, your decisions playing good or bad will affect the next game (Mass Effect 2) from the start. From there, Mass Effect 3 is coming out pretty soon. Keeping an RPG feel, but also a futuristic-like shooter with heavy decisions based on the way you play. Ultimately you'll decide from the 1st and 2nd game--how it adds up finally in number 3 (whether you were an agent gone sour, or good natured from start to finish; including characters who either change appearance altogether because of your decisions that leads up to number 3, or die/live because of them). It's a pretty amazing series in my opinion, and I can't wait for number 3.

Read the Me3 leaked script

they invaldite ever dicison you have ever made, its kidna funny.

I highly doubt that "leaked script" is real, so...

Bioware said it is and to not read it becuase of spoilers.

they said they would do tweaks based off of fan reaction but they are pretty much stuck with most of it as redoing the whole game would cause it to be pushed back for MONTHS.

Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic... a Baldur's Gate and Dragon Age: Origins fan is guaranteed to at least like this game, if not love it... so long as they don't despise anything Star Wars related with a passion, that is.

It's the new Bioware, of course they will mess up ME3. I only hope there is some semblence of satisfying end to Shepard's story. I still feel like ME2 was a giant step down from ME1 and look forward to hopefully not such a big step down from 2 for part 3. I ahve no hope that it will be anywhere near as good as ME1. I just hope it is almost as good as ME2. Then I can be done with Bioware forever and play BG1, 2 + TOB in memorium of what they once were. I blame the new fans as much as Bioware and anyone who thinks ME2 is better than ME1 just makes me sad inside.

Again, you make it sound complicated, it's something they have been doing for a long time. Do you think Bethesda made an amazing job of 4.6Gb storage size of the game or do you think the people who did The Witcher 2 did a terrible job at 15.7 GB?

Most of the witcher 2's gameplay elements were eiather broken or antiquated

beyond that most of its choise was picking one of three railroaded quest paths.

Railroad games can be just as good as open world games and I'm not sure what you mean by broken, it just required a lot more skill than a lot of games do. Also, The Witcher 2 has been patched and supported well from a company nowhere near as big as Bethesda.

Witcher really didnt require that much skill to beat. I know Halo and CoD fanatics who beat it quite easily.

Witcher is a game in the same shoes as STALKER:Shadow of cherynobyl and Dark souls, its a game people leap praise on to in a vain attempt to show that other games are "dumb".


I have gave thw witcher and the seires lsited above the nickname of "Hipster games" becuase thats really what they are. They are games people use to try to brag they are so cool becuase "they dont follow the trend man"

Oh please.....

Are we really comparing Skyrim to BioWare games?

Don't get me wrong, I love BioWare and I think they make great RPG's, but their choices boil down to limited skill tree options, and character choices that amount to "good", "bad" "neutral" and "anti-hero".

They are able to have "deeper" consequences because there is less to account for, the branches are all linear paths.

I'll take Skyrim's method of full character customization, specialization and development over that any day.

planetscape torment, or something like that, that s quite old, and famous

now, I do think he would like skyrim, because this time arround they added more than they cut, and if he liked baldur gates, then he likes dungeonn crawling, and there is a lot of that, and dragons in skyrim, which all rpgs fans love. personaly I like the part where you can go hunting then build your own leather armor from the pelts.

While those are options, there are multiple ways to achieve those endings. You can be a mean spirited good guy, a comical bad guy, serious and nuetral, etc.

DA:O gave players a huge number of ways to shape the world. Being sarcastic and aiming for the "good guy" ending of a quest often lead to a different ending than being serious and also striving for the "good guy" ending to a quest.

Skyrim usually has only one option, complete the quest or don't. I find this bad.

Well it is still a role playing game. You have your skills, combat, magic, exploration .. and many other things, but some might say that it really isn't a one of those old RPG's because they removed several things that The Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind had. Text Dialogue reading was a big thing in Morrowind.

It is considered an RPG, but I don't think it meets the criteria above

Not following a trend does make them kind of cool.

Dark Souls is dungeon crawl with character development and engaing combat, it never claims to be anything else. It does what it does quite well. Just the simple faqct that there is no map makes the game ++Cool in my opinion. Add to that the huge variety of builds and the great dungeon design and fun boss fights and you've got a winner. throw in the creepy story non story that is only vaguely described, the NPC's who generally aren't there to help you, the fact that you can use any weapon with one OR two hands and you have a heck of time ready and waiting!

She s not asking if you think he ll like it based on you reading 5 lines of text
she asked if it is a rpg, not a mmorpg or a wargame
her profession is *mom* nor *rpg codex fanatic*

Now if we want to get technical

she listed 5 titles, lets anolyze this

Fallout new Vegas
Dragon Age 1
Baldurs Gate (the one he play most, and that should give you a hint)
Planetcsape torment

this tell you a lot


-he only played dragon age 1, not dragon age 2...
dialogue wise, dragon age 2 was superior
combat wise, dragon age 1 was superior, that s the one he got

-he clearly still prefer baldu gate and planetscape over new title,
so he s into classic, and I wouldn t be surprised if he liked might and magic 6
but dislike mmorpg (everquest, world of warcraft...)
that s one question she could ask subtely...
*my dear son, what do you think of might and magic 6*

-now a key question is did he like diablo I and diablo 2
why ... I know he got no problem with first person shooters
because arguably fallout new vegas is almost that
but diablo tell you if he likes action rpgs
(because like fallout new vegas, skyrim has more action than older titles)

-but right of the bat, BALDUR GATE lovers are big fans of two things, far more than dialogue
(1) artwork
(2) classic aspect (it must be a classic rpg with recognosable mythology, like dragons for example, or giants)

and for those 2 aspects, skyrim rocks

are you on drugs

adventure games = king quest, final fantasy
I got no idea what action-adventure is, it doesnt even exist.

Adventure games got distinguished from rpgs because they have a FIXED VERRY SHORT storyline,
Originaly they didn t even have action elements in them, so I guess you use action-adventure to refer to final fantasy
and it could refer to some star wars older titles that were first person shooters with rpgs elements (dialogues) thrown in
or like the famous halo serie

but from that point of view, fallout new vegas would be an action adventure game

but then, you noticed her son prefer BALDUR GATE, didn t you

by the way, classic rpgs, for most real rpgers like me,
classic means golden age of fantasy roleplaying,
classic pem and paper game,
classic mythology (greek, norse, tolkien ... as oposed to a weird thing)
and it means not too much emphasis on action
(fallout new vegas is an epic fail there, it s almost a first person shooter)
(main reason I never bought it after seing reviews and videos)

(I m not like rpg codex religious fanatics who never played a game because they are too busy discussing it..)

now, she could simply ask her son if he post a lot at the rpg codex site
if he answer *what ....* that will means ... no ... and he isnt like you

Skyrim has more than one way to complete quests, it just doesn't always tell you that you have a choice, its up to you the player to find and make the choice yourself by just doing it.

That said, a very large chunk of quests do indeed give you choice on how to solve it.

name some quests that give you multiple branching endings.