Well, I'm going to have to agree with this one out of all the other post.

Is there any specific reason why we are discussing mass effect, witcher 2, and other bioware titles in a bethesda forum devoted to skyrim...

Instead of answering a straight question

She should have done a poll instead

*what type of game is skyrim*
1-rpg
2-mmorpg
3-wargame
4-sims
5-space strategy
6-first person shooter

the answer is obvious, skyrim category is rpg

are peoples in this forum that dumb that they cannot answer a simple question.

soon we ll be discussing ... lets see ... diablo 3, two world, gothic serie, the new rpg by todd mc farlane , kotor,
and while we are there, why not start a big parenthesis and discus the pro and con of player killing in world of warcraft,
we could then have an excuse to discus runescape, aion, spellcraft, total war, everquest, lineage, sims 3,
the guild, mount and blade, halo,

did I miss something ....

I don't see all the complaints about it. It's as much of an RPG as Diablo or Baldur's gate are, difference being this is the latest generation game with awesome graphics. Seriously, didn't play the 1st one, but Baldur's Gate 2 had the same amount of sword swinging and fireball tossing, fetch/kill and come back for reward quests and all that jazz, just with a different camera, older graphics and less character customisation choices. Doesn't make Baldur's Gate an action game.


I'm not sure what are people expecting to see since TES games are among top games considering choices and customization. The only problem here is people having to complete every quest, but then whine about how it's stupid that you can finish every quest. That is the point. You can, and you don't have to. It should depend on your character's character.


There's a hell of a lot more than there was in Oblivion.

People consider baldur's gate and diablo as real rpg games while those games are among pioneers of action RPGs, but then have problems with TES series which was an action game from the very 1st Arena. The only changing thing here is the quality of the combat, but it's all the same mechanics.

All that being said, you should really let your son try the game before buying it, or at least get him to try Oblivion which would be closest to action thingy most people have problems with for some reason. Asking people on the forum won't help much since out of 2 games your son likes, another person might love one and hate the other. Personally, I'd say the game is really good, with usual problems of beth game by having some random glitches here and there. Best regards!

We're over the post limit. Someone going to make thread #2?

Darn

it is if you [censored] want it to be

dragon age 2 actually had a *lot of choices* that *made a lot of difference in the world* from the point of view of rpg-dialogue-fanatics
this means your son is a lot more like me, someone who doesnt like to be limited by a fixed verry short storyline
Also dragon age 2 forced you in a specific character and was quite limited in customisation

While Skyrim isnt perfect, it certainly has the largest level of freedom
Also the story is epic, as you become a dragon slayer
and if he likes exploration, he might love this game

mmaybe ask him what he thought of the following titles:
-might and magic 6
-ultima underworld
skyrim has aspects of those verry famous games (dragons, extensive underground)

from the fact he seems to prefer baldur gates a lot and still play it,
I think he likes large world, and classic fantasy games
as well as stunning artwork
(baldur gates was verry famous for all that)

also, baldur gates had henchmen, and skyrim got companions (and dogs)
so he might like that as well

the marriage isnt as good as it was expected, but it may improve in a future patch

also, bethesda had a verry good financial success on this title, and I think they are commited on making what they called a *content patch* that fix issues related to complaints peoples made, to improve the game. no idea how far they lll go. but they have the financial means to do it

the last thing is that skyrim is modable. if your son is on pc, on top of new content by bethesda, there could be some verry interesting content. Oblivion had a companion mod made by Emma, a famous morrowind modder, and she had help by none other than terry pratchet, author of discworld (I hope I didn t confuse names there, but pretty sure that s who it was). Anyway that s a verry famous fantasy novel author, and that mod was really good. I m certain she ll make a comeback for skyrim.


because she is a mom, not a rpger, and got no idea what planetscape torment was...

I don t think she is a troll in diguise, but Longknife, and others certainly are, and are hijacking the thread into a ridiculous rpg-religion-discussion and bioware-worship-fest respectively. Which is more hillarious than dramatic. But quite useless for the poor mom who has no clue what the %%% those acronyms are


I had no idea either, and I m a hardcoe gammer

(its a hybrid type game, rpg/action/adventure...bethesda games are pretty much hybrid type games)

well I disagree. 99% of modern rpg qualify for that classification. ever since star wars and halo games started adding rpgs elements to first person shooters (action games)
the rpgs game companies had little choice but to adapt their graphics and gameplay to avoid bankrupcy (a lot of rpg makers wney bankrupt early 2000)

the only real distinction that remain is pure-rpg (or open ended rpg) versus adventure games (small game world, fixed storyline)
Dragon age 2 is perhaps the most extreme of that new trend toward adventure games.
While the dialogue and story could be great.... it feel so much like a short click-through movie
that as a game it is worthless. even one its most famous designers left the company in protest.
he didnt like the direction where it was going (that convinced me not to buy)

Anyway, Skyrim doesnt follow that trend, but for such a vast world, it pay some price
because not all quests are as detailled as one would wish

but most are verry memorable, and there are amazing sights

without giving away too much spoilers...
there is a quest where you help two long dead lovers (now ghosts) find each other
and the whole thing is quite amazing, not just because of the scenes themselves
but because you need to be crafty to go through dangerous giant infested terrain
(i was verry low level, and that was quite fun and stealthy, good deer hunting too)

there are a lot of wow moments in skyrim.
but the main quest doesnt desserve its name
It s really just the discovery of your nature (dragon slayer)
and while epic, it s just the begining of the story

Myself, having found a secret dungeon on the map, I got a good idea what the expansion will be,
and I suspect it will be verry epic

Anyway, myself I recommend skyrim

Skyrim is an rpg, but a very basic rpg designed for people who don`t want to role play their characters or get immersed into another world as with traditional rpgs which pretty much forced you to.

I know plenty of people who have roleplayed thier character and gotten immersed into skyrim.

Oblviously it is still a viable option during play.

if he like dragon age 1 and how the choices have concequences i'd get him mass effect and or mass effect 2 the third one is about to come out soon also

Hah! I hope this is real but I smell troll.

Think he means Planescape torment.

Because the game makes you to. In Morrowind there are no essential NPCs, thus you are given the choice of deciding just about anyone's fate.

I played the original ME but wasn`t that impressed. It felt too limited, too simple. I heard ME 2 was worse. Now there`s an ME3?

They sure are churning them out.

I wonder how dumbed down they are now?

Probably as much as Skyrim. /lol

actually ME3 is between ME1 and ME2

They increased the number of skill ranks and added back in things such as grenades and weapon mods that they removed from ME2

Skyrim does qualify as an RPG (though the term "RPG" is so broad nowadays that is has lost most of its meaning), though if you are looking for depth then this isn't the game for you. Skyrim has hundreds of things to do, but they're all essentially the same.

Skyrim is a mile wide and an inch deep, and I found that I lost all interest in the game once I realized this.

"....it is a tale / Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, / Signifying nothing."




That remains to be seen. After DA2 and ME2, I don't trust anything BIoware says. They've lied in the past, and I don't think they'll be stopping anytime soon.

They have released many screenshots of the skill menu already, and have videos of weapon modding and grenades in action

Visual proof has already been provided. Also Me2 was a great game, it wasnt mch ao f a RPG but it wasstill a damn good game.

It was a decent game, sure, but it was also a bait-and-switch.

And to reiterate, nothing Bioware shows is a guarantee of anything; they've lied before, and there's nothing stopping them from lying again.

The only thing anyone would be wise to trust is their own experience after playing the game.

I lol'ed. But the description sounds more like Morrowind before you raise your Athletics. I definitely felt like my character must have been crippled due to how slow he moved in the beginning.

I find that applies to all RPGs. Writers are just afraid to say anything so they give an adventure with gray characters and factions, you get an escape but in the end: they're empty calories. I get a good escape from RPGs but not much more. Witcher 2 is a Mary Sue story, New Vegas is Nihilistic, Skyrim really just gives a world to explore. I prefer Skyrim because it gives something that a Novel can't do 1000X better than any RPG, Explore.