Yes, haha. I had done something pretty silly. I will be doing a few minor code updates today. I still do not have time for the user settings page, maybe tomorrow. The structural layout should be updated slightly today, however. I may even get that second theme option up. ^___^

This is really bugging me. When you scroll over the Troubleshooting tab of the main menu while not tabs are collapsed, the content shifts a few pixels. It only happens with that tab. Does someone have a clue?

Does someone have an idea about how I could go about the News/logging thing. I use MySQL, and I know how I could implement this manually, but if someone has another idea, I am open to suggestions.

Does someone have an idea about how I could go about the News/logging thing. I use MySQL, and I know how I could implement this manually, but if someone has another idea, I am open to suggestions.

I've just noticed another thing about the shifted pixel that you have noticed and not just the Troubleshooting tab, even the line up to the right corner (Home | Glossary | Settings | ) is also moved a few pixels down when you have the mouse cursor over those links. I've no clue about the link line though, but I can only guess about the tab contents. Maybe there is a mismatch of text marginals on that tab with the rest of the linked pages. Is this something that ring a bell to you. :unsure:

The tabs are printed out by a script, and I used CSS classes. They have all of the same margin settings if they are in the same state. I will check the names of the inner contents. That would be quite annoying. I know about the navbar. That is just because the link you hover over is emboldened, which increases the size a bit. Those will be buttons in the future, but at least I know the reason for it...

That ruled out the marginals, but could it be any text formatting of the colour heights size or other used document formats?

Class, class, class... Ah, well, I am rewriting the Load Order page right now. After that, I want to start chopping on this TODO list.


I have a couple of patches to make too...

Class, class, class... Ah, well, I am rewriting the Load Order page right now. After that, I want to start chopping on this TODO list.


I have a couple of patches to make too...

Not quite, because I can see a slightly difference in the text just below the first one like this.

All text under that line is pixel moved a little bit expect the first line below the text presentations, when you hover the mouse over the Troubleshooting tab. Did you see that?


You could also have a few named guide sites there too such as http://lovkullen.net/Emma/links.htm.

When it comes for any graphics decisions I'm willing to give you some advice. :talk:

What's your favourite colours?
I assume the "My Lists need colour" is the frame list on the web site. You can decide what colour you want for the lists later.

When I hover over it, everything shifts. I am most concerned about the far column shrinking because that is so noticeable.

I have Emma's site linked already. What do you mean by "guide sites"?

My sister is an artist. I am letting her do the design. As for the lists, I was only referring to highlighting for certain groups of mods (i.e., the UOPs, FCOM and who knows what else.) I can give you some colors, if you want to help me come up with some themes for the site (while she is on vacation.) I need to find the color though. Right now, I am rewriting things. I need to do some sorting in my Installers tab, but the amount of time that will take makes me shy away from it. (I had too do a quick mod dump after getting back home from school and have yet to through it.) Maybe I will just take the color scheme from the old site. I do not know about decisions (because the graphic thing is not at the top of my mind with the warm reception of the new look) but if you have an concrete ideas about graphics then shoot away. I do have one plan...

The main menu really bugs me, as do the borders in general. If you have seen the old site, the top level is all linked, and if you look a the main menu on the new site, I have pages that share the name with the tab. I want the tabs to be links. The top level pages should be at the top, not down a click. I asked my sister to create buttons, arrow-shaped or something, so that when you click on the tab and expand the menu, the arrow would point down. When the sub-menu is closed the arrow...I mean carrot, would point in. The nav menu of the old site was fine. The difference (that I want them to have) is that this site only has visible content for two levels...three with the top pages I guess. The main menu should only expand once.

I have cut the width down from 1200 to 1024. I think that it looks better, but the borders still mess up all of my measurements. With the button and carrot idea, that expansion issue would not exist. They could change color on hover without the border thing. Borders are annoying... All of the structural appearance will be done with background images. I tried to set the columns to a fixed with, but that has not worked out so well. The buttons are killing me... I need to stop.

When I compared the new site to the old one I saw the difference what might cause the annoying pixel shifting, because you have used any buttons at all to left side where you have the all site links gathered. I mean the guide sites in that direct link on Emma's site. You can skip the "Lady Moiraine's Citadel" and look through them all except the ones that you're familiar with to see if anyone else might interests you.


May I suggest that have an unique colour to each groups of mods such as red / brown (FCOM), yellow (MMM), blue (OOO), green (UOP) which reflects the experience to dealing with mods in general. If that's not an option for you I suggest that you select a colour which is pleasant for the reader eyes.


I don't know if that's possible, but you can use the old layout with changed colours except for the menu though.


Your decision to decrease the width to 1024 is good. :thumbsup:

I think these sites might confirm your thoughts about the buttons others is using.

http://morrowind.ttlg.com/
http://www.tommyshideout.net/
http://www.lgnpc.org/
http://oblivionsrealestate.com/
http://oblivion.silgrad.com/

What you really need is to press the button "I'm ordered to take a BREAK from this project" button. :bolt:

I'll see about the sites. That is really a random collection. I mainly want those to be either big sites, or sites/lists that are very specific. There are lots of in-betweens, too many to keep up with.

I was thinking about the color-coding, definitely using different colors for different configurations. I do not want the thing to be a rainbow. The new layout is all about legibility and organization. I did not create the old site. That was a Google template. The structure is not the same at all. For some reason (that has to do with HTML of course) having a three column, centered page, is much harder than a two-column centered page, which is much harder than doing a site that covers the entire page. Those layouts are all very different from what I have in mind. I could link a site with a theme similar to what I want, but it is not developed enough yet. Still waiting on "my little designer"...

Yeah...but at least the hard work is almost done. I just need to do that user setting JavaScript coding. That will be a project for tomorrow though.

Don't know if it's been mentioned before but mousing over the "Troubleshooting" button causes an ever so slight jump in the middle and right columns. None of the other buttons do this. Firefox 3.6.6 if it matters at all.

Yeah, read the last size or whatever posts... If I die suddenly, that will be the cause...

Yes it has mention before, but I've confirm that *so slight jump* behaviour with Firefox 3.6.6 version. :user:

I've confirmed it on Google Chrome and Firefox 3.6.6 and 3.6.5 (since I am running them both right now.)

This should be reported to the Mozilla's Firefox team. All we can do now it's to wait for an update or a newer version.

Why? It happens with Chrome too.


Edit: typo

Okay, I removed everything from the sub menu, and...it happens with just the button. Then I change "Troubleshooting" to "Troubleshoot", no change. Then I remove the stinking array (removing the Troubleshooting tab) and no more glitch...

I've no idea with Chrome, but I can ask a friend who are using Chrome if he has the same strange *mess*.

Works with "T", "Trou", "Troublesh"...still working...


Edit: "Troubleshoo" is good too.

Edit: Yay, "Troubleshootin" works too...


AAAAHHH!!!! The "g" killed it....>| ?!!!???! :L

Edit: I am going to cry over this...

OMG!!!!!! "Troubleshooti" works

It seems that the word "Troubleshooting" is detected as an act of violence by Firefox internal secure settings.

AND CHROME TOO. GAHHH. EVILLLL. Even "W" works.


Edit: "u" breaks it too...

Edit: It was the silly font.

This http://www.gamesas.com/redirect.php?site=https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=get_help.html might be useful to you.

I fixed the problem. It has to do with font sizes. Different fonts are different pixel sizes by default. The problem exists in Chrome and Firefox. This has nothing to do with Firefox.


Edit: The fonts are fine as they are now. I wish I could use Times New Roman for the menus, but it does not look good at 9pt, and a bigger size causes the bug with that font too.