..::THE COMMUNITY TECH THREAD No. 88::..

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:28 am

Either a video or RAM failure. Try reseating your memory modules and/or removing all but one module (if possible).

Would my memory come unseated at random? I had a video card in there that the fan was not spinning on so I replaced it but it still did the same thing.

That could be an array of many things.. Have you checked your monitor on another computer? Have you had a bout of thunderstorms that zapped your house recently?

Unfortunately I do not have another computer that I can check my monitor on, but I don't think a bad monitor would be the cause of my computer not giving me that reassuring start-up beep. We haven't had any thunderstorms here for a good month.

My computer was running fine, then I turned it off for about 45 minutes and when I turned it back on, it did this. It was getting pretty old anyway so I went out and bought a cheap Toshiba Satellite to get me by until I can afford a gaming laptop. Thanks for the responses guys :).
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:55 pm

I have been having two problems recently.

One is recurring, it is my system will randomly lock up. Usually over night. I can't even open task manager when this happens. Is it more likely to be the RAM or hard drive? It only started happening once I got to school, and its not every night but quite a few of them.

The second, I updated Flash player to thenewest version and now I will randomly get ActionScript errors here on this forum and it tells me it is from a Zenimax address. I didn't copy the error but will update the post when it occurs again, but until then any ideas why it is happening?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:32 pm

Is there a setting or an app for Windows that will allow scrolling in an application that does not currently have focus? For instance, say I'm reading a web page and want to take notes, I'm looking to leave my mouse over the browser window, be able to scroll down the page with the mouse wheel without the browser stealing focus from notepad. That's the best I can think of describing it. Anyone who's familiar with Linux should know the behaviour I'm referring to.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 3:07 am

Is there a setting or an app for Windows that will allow scrolling in an application that does not currently have focus? For instance, say I'm reading a web page and want to take notes, I'm looking to leave my mouse over the browser window, be able to scroll down the page with the mouse wheel without the browser stealing focus from notepad. That's the best I can think of describing it. Anyone who's familiar with Linux should know the behaviour I'm referring to.

You asked in the wrong thread :P

http://antibody-software.com/web/software/software/wizmouse-makes-your-mouse-wheel-work-on-the-window-under-the-mouse/

http://ehiti.de/katmouse/
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 9:48 pm

You asked in the wrong thread :P

http://antibody-software.com/web/software/software/wizmouse-makes-your-mouse-wheel-work-on-the-window-under-the-mouse/

http://ehiti.de/katmouse/

Cool, thanks. Have you tried both/either? Recommend one over the other?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:45 pm

Cool, thanks. Have you tried both/either? Recommend one over the other?

KatMouse is a wittle more stable (thought the last time I tried wizmouse was when it was still in beta, so that probably isn't fair to say), but both programs have incompatibilities or conflict with various things, so I would recommend trying KatMouse, but if you run into any issues with something not working right switch to WizMouse and see if that resolves it.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:07 am

I have been having two problems recently.

One is recurring, it is my system will randomly lock up. Usually over night. I can't even open task manager when this happens. Is it more likely to be the RAM or hard drive? It only started happening once I got to school, and its not every night but quite a few of them.

The second, I updated Flash player to thenewest version and now I will randomly get ActionScript errors here on this forum and it tells me it is from a Zenimax address. I didn't copy the error but will update the post when it occurs again, but until then any ideas why it is happening?

Here is the error I get from Flash:
Error #2044: Unhandled ioError:. text=Error #2032: Stream Error. URL: http://static.zenimax.com/forums/xml/footer_logos_18.xml?num=55.56488357344642
at logos_fla::MainTimeline/PrepXML()
at logos_fla::MainTimeline/frame1()

No idea what its about.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 10:21 pm

KatMouse is a wittle more stable (thought the last time I tried wizmouse was when it was still in beta, so that probably isn't fair to say), but both programs have incompatibilities or conflict with various things, so I would recommend trying KatMouse, but if you run into any issues with something not working right switch to WizMouse and see if that resolves it.

Brilliant. KatMouse works a treat.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:17 am

Okay I just read in the Nvidia FAQ for installing new drivers..that I don't have to uninstall my old drivers anymore. Is that true? Won't that like mess something up?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:44 pm

Okay I just read in the Nvidia FAQ for installing new drivers..that I don't have to uninstall my old drivers anymore. Is that true? Won't that like mess something up?


You may be one of the fortunate ones who doesn't have any trouble installing over old drivers. I've gotten away with it more often than not, but not everybody is even that fortunate.

Careful if your motherboard has an nVidia chipset. If you do, sometimes the driver uninstall takes your chipset drivers with it. Be sure you have the motherboard drivers on disk or flash media before uninstalling.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:10 am

Okay I just read in the Nvidia FAQ for installing new drivers..that I don't have to uninstall my old drivers anymore. Is that true? Won't that like mess something up?

Probably not, since it overwrites the old driver files. I have an ATI card and I never had to uninstall first.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 1:24 am

Okay I just read in the Nvidia FAQ for installing new drivers..that I don't have to uninstall my old drivers anymore. Is that true? Won't that like mess something up?


You only need to uninstall graphics drivers if you change driver packages. For example if you change from nVidia to ATI, or from a non-standard ATI driver (ie certain ASUS models) to a reference ATI driver..

Official driver packages automatically override older driver files if they would conflict.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:15 am

Ah okay thanks. Yeah nothing too bad happened, except it seems I lost a tiny bit of noticeable performance on the two games I play and while I'm not 100%, I think it raised the temps of my card. Because I never heard the fan having to increase to cool down the card before, but I also never checked the temps while playing so I could be wrong.

Spose I just have to bust it out till I buy a new PSU and a new ATI card. Course I have no idea if it'll fit in my case but eh that's for another time.

Well...as for another question could I get a..lets say HD 5850 and a Corsair 750w psu to work together? The PSU would have the right connectors for the graphics card right? As it says the graphics card needs like a 6 pin thing.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 9:31 pm

Ah okay thanks. Yeah nothing too bad happened, except it seems I lost a tiny bit of noticeable performance on the two games I play and while I'm not 100%, I think it raised the temps of my card. Because I never heard the fan having to increase to cool down the card before, but I also never checked the temps while playing so I could be wrong.

Spose I just have to bust it out till I buy a new PSU and a new ATI card. Course I have no idea if it'll fit in my case but eh that's for another time.

Well...as for another question could I get a..lets say HD 5850 and a Corsair 750w psu to work together? The PSU would have the right connectors for the graphics card right? As it says the graphics card needs like a 6 pin thing.


Newer drivers will have different fan programs. Sounds like the newer driver is causing the fan to come on sooner.

That PSU is more than you'd need (it's more than enough for two 5850's in Crossfire), but it would be fine. The 5850 requires two 6-pin auxiliary PCI-e connectors; the Corsair 750TX has four.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:42 pm

Hey guys, I've been looking to do a little upgrading to my desktop and I am In need of some help.

I mainly just want to replace my video card.

I've been looking at this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130339&Tpk=EVGA%20GeForce%209800%20GTX

with this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817159079

Though I'm not an expert on computers and don't know If theres anything else I should have to worry about when putting in a new video card.

My specs if needed are here



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System Information
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Time of this report: 5/28/2010, 16:07:22
Machine name:
Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.100216-1514)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: Dell Inc.
System Model: Dell DXP051
BIOS: Phoenix ROM BIOS PLUS Version 1.10 A05
Processor: Intel® Pentium® D CPU 2.80GHz (2 CPUs)
Memory: 3838MB RAM
Page File: 1246MB used, 3961MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.5512 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
Music Tab: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
Network Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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Card name: ATI Radeon X300/X550/X1050 Series
Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
Chip type: ATI Radeon Graphics Processor (0x5B60)
DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B60&SUBSYS_06021002&REV_00
Display Memory: 128.0 MB
Current Mode: 1152 x 864 (32 bit) (75Hz)
Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor
Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
Driver Name: ati2dvag.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.6903 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 1/14/2009 00:47:44, 323584 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: ati2mtag.sys
Mini VDD Date: 1/14/2009 03:14:01, 3455488 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71EE2-1820-11CF-4569-0826A1C2CB35}
Vendor ID: 0x1002
Device ID: 0x5B60
SubSys ID: 0x06021002
Revision ID: 0x0000
Revision ID: 0x0000
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D ModeWMV8_B ModeWMV8_A ModeWMV9_B ModeWMV9_A
Deinterlace Caps: {6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{552C0DAD-CCBC-420B-83C8-74943CF9F1A6}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,2) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
D3D7 Test Result: Not run
D3D8 Test Result: Not run
D3D9 Test Result: Not run

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Sound Devices
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Description: SigmaTel Audio
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_8384&DEV_7680&SUBSYS_102801A7&REV_1032
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Type: WDM
Driver Name: sthda.sys
Driver Version: 5.10.4823.0000 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
Date and Size: 11/16/2005 21:36:00, 1047816 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: SigmaTel
HW Accel Level: Full
Cap Flags: 0xB5B
Min/Max Sample Rate: 44100, 192000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 1, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX™ 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
I3DL2™ Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura™ ZoomFX™: No
Registry: OK
Sound Test Result: Not run

Description: Modem #0 Line Playback (emulated)
Default Sound Playback: No
Default Voice Playback: No
Hardware ID:
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 81
Type: Emulated
Driver Name:
Driver Version:
Driver Attributes:
WHQL Logo'd:
Date and Size:
Other Files:
Driver Provider:
HW Accel Level: Full
Cap Flags: 0x0
Min/Max Sample Rate: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX™ 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
I3DL2™ Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura™ ZoomFX™: No
Registry: OK
Sound Test Result: Not run

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Sound Capture Devices
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Description: SigmaTel Audio
Default Sound Capture: Yes
Default Voice Capture: Yes
Driver Name: sthda.sys
Driver Version: 5.10.4823.0000 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Date and Size: 11/16/2005 21:36:00, 1047816 bytes
Cap Flags: 0x41
Format Flags: 0xCC0

Description: Modem #0 Line Record (emulated)
Default Sound Capture: No
Default Voice Capture: No
Driver Name:
Driver Version:
Driver Attributes:
Date and Size:
Cap Flags: 0x20
Format Flags: 0x0

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DirectMusic
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DLS Path: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\drivers\GM.DLS
DLS Version: 1.00.0016.0002
Acceleration: n/a
Ports: Microsoft Synthesizer, Software (Not Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal, Default Port
Microsoft MIDI Mapper [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
Registry: OK
Test Result: Not run

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DirectInput Devices
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Device Name: Mouse
Attached: 1
Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
FF Driver: n/a

Device Name: Keyboard
Attached: 1
Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
FF Driver: n/a

Poll w/ Interrupt: No
Registry: OK

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USB Devices
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+ USB Root Hub
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x8086, 0x27CA
| Matching Device ID: usb\root_hub
| Service: usbhub
| Driver: usbhub.sys, 4/13/2008 14:45:37, 59520 bytes
| Driver: usbd.sys, 8/10/2004 05:00:00, 4736 bytes

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Gameport Devices
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PS/2 Devices
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+ HID Keyboard Device
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x413C, 0x2003
| Matching Device ID: hid_device_system_keyboard
| Service: kbdhid
| Driver: kbdhid.sys, 4/13/2008 14:39:48, 14592 bytes
| Driver: kbdclass.sys, 4/13/2008 14:39:47, 24576 bytes
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+ Terminal Server Keyboard Driver
| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_kbd
| Upper Filters: kbdclass
| Service: TermDD
| Driver: termdd.sys, 4/13/2008 20:13:20, 40840 bytes
| Driver: kbdclass.sys, 4/13/2008 14:39:47, 24576 bytes
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+ Microsoft USB IntelliMouse
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x045E, 0x0009
| Matching Device ID: hid\vid_045e&pid_0009
| Service: mouhid
| Driver: mouclass.sys, 4/13/2008 14:39:47, 23040 bytes
| Driver: mouhid.sys, 8/17/2001 13:48:00, 12160 bytes
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+ Terminal Server Mouse Driver
| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_mou
| Upper Filters: mouclass
| Service: TermDD
| Driver: termdd.sys, 4/13/2008 20:13:20, 40840 bytes
| Driver: mouclass.sys, 4/13/2008 14:39:47, 23040 bytes



If you need to see anything else just let me know.


Thanks KFH, Sorry if this is in the wrong Section
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:36 pm

Newer drivers will have different fan programs. Sounds like the newer driver is causing the fan to come on sooner.

That PSU is more than you'd need (it's more than enough for two 5850's in Crossfire), but it would be fine. The 5850 requires two 6-pin auxiliary PCI-e connectors; the Corsair 750TX has four.

Alright thanks, I'll probably be picking those up sometime soon then when I can afford them. My current card got up to 87 C, kind of scares me. It's a GTS 240 (aka 9800GT) and well I don't know if it's gotten that hot before.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:42 am

I'd be concerned about the fit of a big double-wide card in a DXP051 chassis (Dimension 9150, XPS 400: microBTX form factor).

Because this is a BTX chassis, the card faces the enormous built-in CPU cooler. It does not look like there is clearance for the rear half of a big card like that, and the fan would be right up against the CPU cooler, which would cause airflow problems. Cooling in BTX designs isn't very accommodating of large high-power add-ons. I would consider it a poor risk.

If you go to the last picture on this page, you'll see how little clearance there is toward the rear of the card: http://www.b-e-t-a.com/heatsink/
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:08 am

So I should look for a smaller card then right?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 10:43 pm

So I should look for a smaller card then right?


That's what I'd do. Even short models of the GTS 250 (replacement for the 9800 GTX+) are 9.5 inches, which is 2 inches longer than the card in the picture.

The next card down in nVidia's lineup is the GT 240, which is single-width and 6.6 inches long. It would be an easy fit and would not require a power supply upgrade.

The ATI 5670 is the same size as the GT 240. You could also use it without a power supply upgrade.

Higher-ranking ATI and nVidia cards are longer and double-width.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 9:37 pm

That's what I'd do. Even short models of the GTS 250 (replacement for the 9800 GTX+) are 9.5 inches, which is 2 inches longer than the card in the picture.

The next card down in nVidia's lineup is the GT 240, which is single-width and 6.6 inches long. It would be an easy fit and would not require a power supply upgrade.

The ATI 5670 is the same size as the GT 240. You could also use it without a power supply upgrade.

Higher-ranking ATI and nVidia cards are longer and double-width.


So are these the cards?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814134064&cm_re=NVIDIA_GTS_250-_-14-134-064-_-Product

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814162042&cm_re=NVIDIA_gt_240-_-14-162-042-_-Product

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127477&cm_re=ATI_5670-_-14-127-477-_-Product



and Thanks Dogsbody, your a great help as always =]


One thing is should I have to worry about compatibility? Or should these work fine?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:57 pm

So are these the cards?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814134064&cm_re=NVIDIA_GTS_250-_-14-134-064-_-Product

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814162042&cm_re=NVIDIA_gt_240-_-14-162-042-_-Product

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127477&cm_re=ATI_5670-_-14-127-477-_-Product



and Thanks Dogsbody, your a great help as always =]


One thing is should I have to worry about compatibility? Or should these work fine?


I'm concerned about the size of those cards and the fan locations. BTX is really not made for cards that big or thick, especially when they have a big fan housing extending to the rear of the card.

You can't have a card wider than 0.6 inches, according to the standard (measured from the highest point on the card to the plane of the edge connector. In practice, you can have a card wider than 0.6 inches in the first 6.4 inches. Anything wider than 0.6 inches at the back of the card and longer than 6.4 inches will trespass on the space where the gigantic CPU cooler sits.

The GT 240 would be OK. It is just longer than the 6.4-inch limit, but the fan housing is narrow at the rear of the card.

Forget the GTS 250.

The ATI card is much too long, with an excessively tall cooler well back on the card.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:53 am

So I should look for a smaller card then right?

Well, you probably could stick a dual-slotted card in there as many have done it in the past with the same system (XPS400, Dim 9150). However, you should get a smaller card anyways because that 2.8GHz Pentium D is your bottleneck. I'd say the Radeon 5670, GeForce GT 240, or the 9800GT at most. Links:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121362&cm_re=radoen_5670-_-14-121-362-_-Product
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130529&cm_re=gt_240-_-14-130-529-_-Product
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133304&cm_re=9800gt-_-14-133-304-_-Product

These will all play nice with your power supply as well. By the way, the Coolmax PSU you chose is worse than the PSU you have in your system, which uses Dell's underrated 375W power supply I believe.

New thread up:
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1094900-the-community-tech-thread-no-89/

Please close this when it reaches 200...or jus close it now...close enough.
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