EDIT: Nope.

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Grelod forbbids child adoption - Listen her dialogs, she runs orphanage, but don't allow any child to be adopted, instead she treat them as lesser beings. My morality justifies her assasination, if your not, ok, it's your buissenes and your decision alone.

Seriously, what? Did you just insult my mother? Any parent who physically beats, starves and emotionally abuses their child is committing a crime. Thankfully, I have never been a victim of such a crime, and I pity anyone who would not instantly recognize this behavior as a crime.

But this is a game, and the character of Grelod the Kind is a stereotype which is in the game for the convenience of the writers. I doubt she was intended to be perceived as anything other than an evil old woman, but if you find her to be something else then it's a single player game, and you can play it any way you want to. However, to me, trying to argue that she's an angel, or even a necessary evil because of the circumstances just doesn't ring true when you hear all of her dialogue. In my opinion, she is deliberately written to behave in a completely unacceptable way, so a player won't feel bad about starting the first part of the DB questline - and then can still consider themselves 'good', if they go no further as an assassin.

Grelod is Kind in the same way M'aiq is a Liar. Its called IRONY.

Maybe this game is not for you.

At this point, I'm not sure if the OP is actually serious about any of this. If you are OP, let me just say ARE YOU SERIOUS?! Grelod says that none of the kids are going to get adopted and that they shouldn't think about getting adopted, she says that she has EXTRA beatings for the kids which means she beats them regularly, and she has a book called "The Pig Children". How is that in any way the sign of a good caretaker?

I just took the time to observe 24 hours in the orphanage.

Life in there is surely dull, but that can be said for the life of 99% of the NPCs in an Elder Scrolls games so far. No atrocities against the children were committed at all, though Grelod talked harshly to Constance a couple of times about the kids.

The children sleep from 22:00 to 06:00.
They spend most of the day in their dormitory, wandering quietly around and staring at Grelod and Constance, who both do not talk to them.
From 10:00 to 11:00, the children spend one hour in the little garden, supervised by Grelod.
Dinner for the children is from 15:00 to 16:00; on that time of the day they actually leave their dorm. I didn't see them sit down at the dining table, but two went to the antechamber room of the house.

Grelod and Constance didn't seem to have a fixed time of the day for dinner/breakfast/lunch. They sometimes sat down and did eat something all around the day though.
They spend the day cooking, sitting at the dining table, talking with each other, and wandering through the dormitory.
Grelod also spends often time in her office/bedroom.
They only sleep from 01:00 to 05:00, which is really not a lot of time.


Now, for the conversations between the two advlts:
Grelod complains about:
- Samuel talking about his parents all the time (he does, but only towards the player)
- one of the kids crying all night and keeping her from sleeping
- coins being missing from her supplies, and she suspects that the girl has stolen them
- supplies running low
- the place being filthy because the children don't ever clean up the place (they don't indeed, but neither do the advlts)
- that there hasn't been an adoption for ages

Her ideas for solutions for these issues are harsh indeed, but I never observed her actually doing anything about it. She mostly just tells Constance to deal with it, and she says that she would handle it.


What I find rather confusing is that Grelod actually wants to get the children adopted (she complains about the lack of adoptions in the recent past), but Constance and the kids tell the player that the children aren't for adoption right now. This is very confusing indeed.

me insultting a mother ? no i did not . but there is no one i know or knew who didnt get spanked by parents or got grounded without dinner . note that beating is something else . but sometimes the word get mixed up . ok? dont say i insulted your parents again

lytha what u did is amazing .

finally my openion will win . without any of your choices will be
becuse its a murder . if your charectr is evil then no point posting here ok ?
i will finish this game with no crimes , land to the natives nords . and all crime is dead .
clean quest sheets and no crimes . but i will kill astrid

Thats what I was thinking

"I am correct because you people are definitely wrong".

Anyway, whatever. Good for her seeing as she seems to have made the only orphanage in skyrim, but she's definitely no angel like you described. True the children might be suffering in the streets if it werent for her, but having a crap life in the orphanage ain't that lovely either.

Though i could definitely think of many more people i would rather kill than her; at least she's not really killing anyone.

Don't post when your High....

beautiful reply . but first i want to thank admin for deleting the flame . and did not lock/delete this thread . i would
like to finish this thread

some of you guys should go easier on me its normal i am not stable mentally i told you there is wars around me

and my personal life is very unstable look i admit it here


back to azuron , azur i am correct not because the others is wrong i am correct because in this quest you will break the law ok ?

i dont even want to steal a sweet roll . anyone have a problem with that .

if it was not a crime in that quest then i wouldnt have been telling you this .

what anyone think dose not matter you want a criminal charterer that is only the roll you play in the game

just like actor's makes evil roles in movies .

i want a good character that reflects me . defend the people obey the law and fight evil .

what the others think is wrong for me even id they all voted against me . because its a crime against the law enough said

when the law speaks . opinion dose not matter i did not ask in this thread to do the crime or not i asked if there is another way

to get to astrid . there is not no big deal. not the time to curse the creator . just do the quest as written but dont accept that it happened

as concept . that what deffer the novel from reality anyway .

down to the next issue .

are you real about her being nice or not ? is being nice a general rule these days ? do you consider your self to be nice ?

where guys here nice to me just because i said she is a giver ? are they nice ? they called me names and flamed me . she is an angle compared to them

do you consider her own personality ? and if you do that why ? most of those people where homeless kids that is why

they are dedicated to end human suffering , did any of you did anything to help others like she did lately ?

i would neal under this woman feet and pray for her as a holly mother .

gerold you are my hero in this world . forever .

haw can she overcome her personality to be nice ? i agree that being nice is the way but haw can she do that ?

haw do you know the personality of the surgeon who just saved your life ? do you call him an angel or not ?

what if he have really aggressive temper out side and inside the surgery room ? do you care for that or

do you care for the success of your healing ?

i worked in tourism before dealing with others is the hardest job in the world . i would prefer to work in nature

all day doing labor than even talking to anyone of you and hearing your childish opinions about discipline .

let tell you a nice poetry from our ancient culture

the weights of life where majored by iron , indeed the iron had less weight .

i wish she was a nice but she is not because she is like that . did you ever take a look at the world around her ?

one of you is a vampire the other is a thief and assassin there is imperial war going and adulin the devil is still eating until his lips going numb . yammy

what is nicer than that ? you never looked where those kids where going ? i guess you did . with gerold nice beds nice food

pretty assistant a garden and someone to protect . in fact she is funny sometimes hehe pig children qwwwnk weeenk lets play with mud hehe

i never take animal names as insults . call me any animal name you want meawwww

strange comment , i sense your attack behind it . and i want you to read this :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorphin

i made it to marathon last Saturday 50 kilometers , i assure you i dont smoke drink or dope even my mum
thought i was on drugs . anyway i wont chat here anymore . i dont like you guys .
ill just post to ask about game play if i didnt find it on skyrim wikki

[censored] High and all taking my post literally....

i thought you liked it . and try to choose your words before criticizing so they dont get censored mister jojo rising

Oh, dude - no kidding - you actually made me feel bad. I was just playing devil's advocate, I guess. My apologies if I came off like a dike. But (and it's a minor "but"), don't do the DB if you're not comfortable doing the first task. It's going to get worse.

The dark brotherhood is all about killing, if you dont want to kill its not for you

Wow that was deep...a lot of unfinished emotions to say wont kill grelod but would kill astrid is still wrong two wrongs don't make right and murder is still murder I understand a heroic quest line and crime free existence but life's choices ...and the games choices aren't so black and white good or bad there are grey areas in skyrim what you thought wasn't initially deemed the evil choice may still cause an evil effect besides killing astrid is something the brotherhood would respect anyway if thinking morally they are after all cold blooded murderers good thing that this is a game and not real life....oh wait these things happen everyday.....

Just do what moral people all over the real world do most of the time - let the cops deal with it and just go about your business.

Yeah, but it's NOT the real world, is it? Sure, you can roleplay it that way....but just doing NOTHING doesn't move the plot forward. It's a game, that has plot triggers. If you want an outcome, then doing nothing won't change the situation within the game. Someday, I hope RPGs will evolve to the point where actually doing NOTHING about a situation or event WILL have consequences with the game. For example, NOT killing Grelod after having received the quest to do so, will trigger other events that cannot be undone. The only way to change it would be to go back to a previous save, or be given a choice about what can be done NOW. However, that is far too sophisticated for present RPG plotlines. Someday, perhaps.

with such nice replies i will take the time to clear each one of them ,


i would never argue on haw you want to play your story , but lets imagine its a book or a movie and we are talking

in the cinema , the guys who said to do kill gerold have no enough motives for that and will be criminals

i did not start the quest it was informed to me by a lady in the city . i was thinking every quest on the list have

a good way to finish not left unfinished but as you will see at the end of the post there is another unfinished quests .

that means i will have to leave quests on my journal and i wanted it to be clear . anyway i never lose it on forums

unless am really insulted . i have no problem with hearing the other side of my opinions at all am not offended by you .

i know haw things can get on forums . plus the DB is trying to kill me all the time so i will pay them a visit .

if the story line says kill gerold is the only way in then its like that



i want to kill them in fact and i will



what is the relation between astrid and gerold ? one is a mother for the homeless the other is a killer outlaw? she lived by

the sward and will die by the sword . am not after astrifd alone i want the hole crime organization in skyrim down

yes its a game but there is a story and if it was not for us to chose then they wouldnt have asked us to .

when you watch movie the actor never ask you what do you think about it . if guys not interested in skyrim

but in football they would be on a football forum . we like skyrim so we pass time playing chatting that is all.



here you are totally wrong . i am a nord on my home land skyrim am fighting the occupation imperial and i joined

the stormlocks and serving the rightfull king and i ranked in his army so i am the law and i dont want criminals or

monsters or vampires ex ex ex . just peace and nature and nord law



who is talking about moving with the quests ? i will kill gerold to finish the quest but am talking about it out side the game

and somewhat blaming the creator for mixing evil with good or not letting a straight path for the character

like in bioshock . in that game i blamed them a lot on the forum for giving a choice or harvesting/killing children

the word harvest a little child sounded so bad and the seen when the girl dies instead of thanking you for saving her is too inhuman i noted them its a very bad sub minimal message .
its a cartoon what ever but are we allowed to watch a child being abused on virtual worlds now ?
yes i saw cinema movies where children where treated bad or mixed up in horror movies
but those are actors , they are not going to make us do such things with our in game charterer
like giving you a knife and telling you . hey its children neck cutting feast .
lets go out and sly the little pigs . is that your next quest ? those are not just games
things like that are sin and extremely bad sub minimal messages .at least leave a path
and a choice for the player not to do them to go on with his game

i play rpg games since the world began and i liked being the nice guy through out the whole games .

why we cant do that here ?

here is another example i dont know haw to solve this either where the creator is ordering me to be extremely evil

to finish the quest which i also did not start and i dont want to leave it on my journal and i want to crack down on that

cult and i will never slay one of my followers ,

boethiah's calling

why we cant just destroy them ? because boethiah cant be killed ? i will never finish this quest either .

so no need to attack them at first place . the quest dose not give you a choice to say no to boethiah's

after you attack her cult . strange why is that ?

conclusion

am not with the idea of starting an evil quest without asking for the player opinion
like in the DB and boethiah , then forcing him by leaving him no other choices
but to murder and not even giving him the choice to refuse .

that is one mistake the other will be leaving those quest undone on the quest list
its not the quests that is bothering me now because am not going to do them
i just wanted to finish all the quests in this game . without doing crimes
not providing this option is something to think of . of any of the game makers read this

now benor has to die for boethiah . a good man . did he do anything also? then gerold . i will finish my quests anyway .
you like it this creator ?

Yea i wish bethesda would give the option to forfeit a quest that we don't want to do, like in oblivion. Its annoying when you're a mage or something and you get this "speak to the companions" quest thats stuck forever in your journal like a piece of stale gum.

Though about finishing all the quests without committing crimes; some people want to roleplay as an evil character, so there has to be some quests that specifically require you to commit a crime. Still, there are many more lawful quests than evil ones, so you'll probably be able to complete most of the quests.

U Know to finish the main Quest u have to commit a crime right? What will u do then?