haw do i get into the dark brotherhood without doing the crime mister Aretino wanted ?

cheat and use the consoel on PC or you dont ?

If you aren't willing to kill someone because someone asked you to, you probably don't belong in the Dark Brotherhood.

i want to go into the dark brotherhood to destroy them not to join them , can i do that without killing the kind one ?
and if i used the command will she die anyway ?

you have to kill grelod. no great loss imo.

Grelod is a beast. No loss.

Well you will be doing crimes in the guild anyway so i don't see why it should matter if you do it or not.

The Dark Brotherhood is watching you. They will recruit you only if they see you do the things they like.

because s/he wants to destroy the brotherhood, not join them. helps to read the whole thread before replying

Grelod is not a beast . she is an angle . that boy is wrong and he messed with the other kids heads to turn them against her because
he was rich and dose not like to stay at her place. she is tough because of her personality but her work is great .
she is the only person in skyrim who takes care of lost and abandoned children at her account .
the dark brotherhood must go down . but its sad to murder a good charterer to be able to do the right thing .
but i guess in a time like this things are hard to control . i wont use the console. let the story goes as intend .

surely you guys have a strange way of thinking, for calling the kind lady not worthy , her assassinate can not take care take of the house by her self .
aventus is a very disturbed young gentleman . he sure got an excuse but i tell you those children have an unsecured
future for the loss of the kind one . the creator did not call her the kind for nothing .

See, this is why the DB questline for SkyRim wasn't as exciting. Even if you want to take them down you HAVE to murder someone? Come on, they couldn't have just gave you an option to tip off the guard that you've been asked to murder someone? In Oblivion you sure had that option...

yes i like you opinion . you dont treat a bad thing with another bad thing , that makes no progress . when you see the bad you show your best then the bad repels from it .

your signature is just what i felt . single player and stories are favorite for old school players , who knew gaming with the AI
unlike the newer players who got online when they first gamed . they like to have clans and friends and competition .

maybe they did not end the story of the elder scroll but the story it self has ended . its been around for long long time .

. so in that case it was time for elder scroll players to live happily ever after
each one with his own story .
many players finish the MQ and the other side quests, and ask very funny questions like what am gonna do next .
i saw such posts many times .
you get strange answer as well like go buy another game or wounder around and pick flowers ,
so making it online is just a way to solve that and keep the players in their environment with something to do .
while its sad that the story has ended but its a normal feeling. like when you read a book or a movie you feel
sad it has ended but you cant sleep at the theater house . or read that book endlessly

we can consider elder scroll online as included in skyrim not a stand alone .
so that would be a good answer for what we gonna do next .

as for elder scroll it was time for the story to end . they still going rpg here .
fallout series , rage , they look great , time to focus on such variety .

its the way of the art . the artiest gets board with one thing as variety is the spice of life .

just kill grelod. Evil woman running an orphanage, no good can come out of her.
And oh, kill the children and that lady too. Cant have children growing up and want to join the DB and kill innocents eh?
And remember to kill aretino as well. Cant leave any clues behind!

NO. Elders Scrolls will always be a single player game since the start and be a single player game to the end whenever that is. LET IT TO BE SEPARATE. Or else it will be the same stuff up in Mass Effect 3.

The ones that are making the games is the ones that end it not us. Or we don't get the game.

Since when RAGE is a RPG???

I wholeheartedly agree that the murder of Grelod is absolutely uncalled for - the wishes of mentally disturbed children are not a reliable base for any decisions, especially about things like murder.

Anyway, you are mistaken in two parts:

Other people take care of lost and abandoned children in Skyrim. Two examples I can tell without much research: Falion and Balimund. I'm sure there are more people who adopted or at least took care of the orphans of this land.

And that psychopathic child in Windhelm was definitely not from a rich family. Only because the run-down and shabby house he lived in is called a "residence", it is definitely not a wealthy place. Of course, it's possible that the Arretino boy has squandered all the remaining wealth of his family on the hunt for the bits and pieces required for the Night Mother's Ritual, but that doesn't change the fact that the house is very small. Wealthy families have bigger places than that.



Fyi: using the console to advance through "innocence lost" should help you to keep Grelod alive. I don't think that she will die then, but her dialogue will probably be stuck at the 3 dialogue options in the DB style.

I'm glad somebody brought this up. The whole kill Greload thing is my pet peeve I have with Bethesda.

My Dovakhiin has a dozen assassin letters with his name in it and wants to finish with the dark brotherhood once and for all. But he doesn't murder an old lady just because she is difficult and nobody likes her. It's disgusting, and it would turn him into a pathetic hypocrite.

Bethesda went overboard with the whole evil=cool thing.

'the kind' - I think you're missing the irony.

Instead of trying to create a controversial thread by calling Grelod an angel - you should try sneaking into the orphanage and observing the way she treats the children. She beats, starves and threatens them, and also has plenty of verbal abuse left for her assistant.

Correct !!

I say kill the beotch, she deserves it, obviously none of you that say let her live had to stay in a orphanage or foster care, most of those people deserve to die, slowly, painfully, and alone.

my eng language is poor . i may take it that you are board with me and just telling funny stuff . but not wanting to discuss

a principle .

raising and feeding and helping street children at your own expense is evil ? haw come man ? you dont see that the

creator called the kind one ? did someone called you that lately ? you think that name is just a cover for her evil ?

everyone in skyrim talk freely . the imperials are imperials the nords are nords and the dark-hood are dark and the rateway

is a ratway . this is where you and sir aretino junior want those kids to go? to the ratway ?

those kids got brain washed by lord aretino because he thinks the place svcks and if she gose he will run back home as usual and then

she wont come after him . but those kids dose not have his fortune you see my friend ? down the fall to the rate way just underneath them

and i think you have an idea what is waiting for them down there . that is what you want ?

you think her assistant will do her job ? she will go hysterical for the rest of the game screaming at you like if you are a criminal .like you would be

if you kill that good woman . then you think the kids will manege on their own ? they will gather out side in the back yard ready to be escape

and be thrown down like aventus wanted . aventus is just another problem for grelod , let me ask you . did she caused his suffering ?

you know what he want? he dose not want anything but his nice house and loving parents . and not take no as an answer .

not from you not from grelod and not even from the creator he can not judge things at his stage .

grelod is only the barrier brtween him and his suffering that is

why she takes his pain that is why she dedicated her self to do . you expect her to be Britney spears ?
i wish we where all grelod , that will end the suffering of humanity and break the circle .

astrid is evil and its not a secret to her , nor she is trying to hide it . so is grelod is good and it can not be denied .

you want to blame a person who is doing a charity work for his temper ? you dont recognize his work ?

you know what kind of people makes such help for others ? mostly grelod lived in the street and was homeless in her childhood that is

why she dedicated her poor soul to fight against that devil . you want to attack such person just because of his hurt personality ?

that pain and anger inside her is a cure for those kids . their life is hard anyway . they will become what you said but only if grelod was not there

to guide them through .

talking in game if that what you really think then you might be one of the bad guys anyway (remember in game only not you ) and make no mistake

about it , the 2 horns will be coming at you . and then cry later but as for now lets enjoy the laughter .

look i will kill grelod just because she is an npc and i want to get with the quest to the the sanctuary. nothing personal here but its a kindom of hearts.
plus am bad for Astrid health .



another reply that dose not express what i said . if you see things your way then they are like that . i see them different . the way i said it .
so am not going to repeat my self . i dont know what happend at mass effect 3 . am way behind .
i said what i said because i though elder scroll series has ended . maybe its not then . i wouldnt mind that .
sorry about rage i played for test it has some rpg element .
but fallout is going well .

i did not see Falion and Balimund or other places yet i did river wood quests and some of the storm clock and some of the blades and some of Whiterun and
the companions . i am doing it city by city . but i bought honey side because i needed the labs , i revived the lost innocence quest just by chance
passing in the city of Windhelm i still did not started it .

i think you are wrong about master Arretino at a hard time like this when king Ulfric send this letter to someone who lives just too near to the palace

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Letter_from_The_Steward

starting by master aventus , ending with With greatest respect, this not really a letter to a common young man . anyway you are comparing this
the other place his forced to go . i will not use the console i i will do the quest but not caring for its result morally considering the fiction
side of the subject . but the concept is not related . i would still imagine it happened like if i just did not listen to him and escorted him back
to safety i dont mind leaving him alone at his home either he looks old enough . guys his age ruled nations
and ulfric him self killed a boy his age . i got along with that . not easily but that is another story .
master aventus have absolutely no right to destroy Grelod that i one thing . using the dark brother hood is another crime so bad guys
here please your opinion is not worthy and you are considered criminal to the cause of the nords . that is final .


i happen to like her .

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Grelod_the_Kind

look into the eyes and notice the lips , pretty and caring and worthy of trust . in times of responsibility .


haw old are you ? you either facing the same issues at home which completely normal dont panic , or its just bad memories you had since you mum needed to protect you from real evil .


same to you . i guess you should be locked up with those kids for a week or 2 and i will sneak and calculate the casulites . her assisstent is not a slave
she can leave i guess she loves her maybe cause she was one of the little girls she saved . plus she was so sad and got crazy when Grelod was hurt
that means she loves her . she did not thank the charechter . and said ok am in charge now .
nice teeth btw .


i will manege to stay in the world of the game in this thread , so to me am with the nords and a storm lock unit .

1_ you will do the crime of murder with no rightfull cause at all

2_am sorry if i messed up with people feelings here . i lived like master Arretino i know haw he feels .
but then a death sentence to them ? just because life svcks so bad and its not thier fault ? good or bad is somthing not everyone agree on
but even if we did . dont they exsist together anywhere?
what is the other choice for them ? the rat way ?

i happened to live with mother , am 42 male single retired . the fact is i nevver attack her you see ? but i get violent at things . there is
wars all around me guys . when i get so violent she get scared and she have high blood pressure . she gets sick at times
and it effect her health . i cry now because i hurted her in indirect way . i never ment to point my anger at her it just blows out of me .
i went to mental clinic for long long time . i went back because she cant be left alone and no one here to care about her with the love
i have to her . now i feel am evil you see ? if she was stronger she wouldnt have got effected by my rage seizures.
it cuts both ways into me . when i see her ill i die and when i think i was a reason to it , makes me feel ... ohhh i cant reveal that
maybe i dont even know haw to express it .
come and kill me if you want . that will save her? she got no one but me . you will then let her to be abandoned

3_ dose that means you are with the assassins now ? say hello to astrid . she got really hot buddy . i would liked being under her strong command
but we go diffrent ways in this game . and in this life

Wow, the forums prove me wrong once again! It CAN be worse....

Way too much psychoanolysis. This is a video game - a well-developed one, with a rich history, but the characters are only so deep. Take it (and them) for what it is (and they are). It is a role-playing game, but there are always constraints. You have a tremendous amount of freedom in this game, but of course it isn't unlimited. And at its core, this is a game about killing. The Dark Brotherhood is faction in that game that specializes in killing. If you have issues with a questline, don't do it. If you're struggling with the ethics and morality of the game, or wrestling with a need for a greater understanding of a fictional child who is simply designed as a device to initiate a questline, you're just banging your head against a wall.

sorry i dont see what you mean


no am not . if i was to talk about the game i would have posted about the game play , those days the elder scroll is turning more into a novel , story wise.
so its not strange to go insight . if you play 100s of hours why not talk few minutes ? am just board and chatting .
wanted to post this at general but its full of spoilers ,
millions of people right now chatting online in silly stuff and perhaps even evil . we the gamers can meet here and chat about our nice interest
we dont cause troubles we dont bother no buddy
imagine this thread as a chat room . if your into it . give it a go . if your busy just skip .