Serbian, German, English and French (with a nasty accent). I play most games with English VA since the localization tends to be really bad most of the times.

I'll try to listen to it next time I play, but I can't really say it bothers me even if I discover it since I didn't notice it so far. I can see that it may be distracting for people who actually know that kind of stuff, but for my personal experience it wasn't damaging at all. Although I'm still waiting for that one "get to tha choppa" line from one of the guards, sometimes I wonder if someone at Beth tried to make a real bad Schwarzenegger impersonation.

Check this out: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/9286

Hadvar (or whatever the Imperial you can go with's name is) is another one. During the cutscene he sounds french, then he'll sound basic american or slightly british, then he sounds french again.

Sorry, I thought the scripts for Irileth and Farengar were abominable, as well. I don't think anything in Oblivion was as bad.

I've already seen it.

"You press a button, and something awesome has to happen."
Skyrim seems to have been made with this philosophy in mind.

Again, your trying to pass your opinion as fact. Even if you opinion is shared with the larger bulk of people here, it's just opinion. I get your comparing and contrasting without nostalgia, but that doesn't make it any less of any opinion. Skyrim has it's weaknesses, yes, but for some that doesn't take away from the game. Just like how Morrowind and Oblivion had their fair share of weaknesses, buth others still loved those games. I don't think the point of exposing these flaws to Beth should be just to show how the game has "been getting worse" as time goes on, but rather so that Beth can hopefully see that the story means something to people and they should try to get more experienced writers rather than more experienced actors. Maybe that's what you're doing, and I'm just not seeing it too. I've been known to be a little thick sometimes.

And I'm hardly preaching, please try to keep the personal attacks down, they weaken your arguement. If I wanted to call you a sour-tootie face I would, but I'd rather debate ya know? You of all people should know that much, based on how well you usually defend your side of an arguement.

Yeah, by no means do I think it's an error that would detract from EVERYONE's experience.

For some though, like myself, it does. It started out with a basic "why does that woman sound like my romanian friend if we're supposed to be Nords" to "wtf since when is Austria a part of Scandinavia," then slowly developed into noticing things like Hadvar having an inter-conflict with himself, trying to decide if he wants to embrace his french heritage or not. Or another character saying something like (just an example, not actually in game:) "Look around, don't be afraid to ask if you see something you like" and then the next visit saying "Look, you may. But fear not, should you find what you seek."

The accents and sentence structure just kinda got tossed in a blender at times....

There's a number of mods that do that - some of them in painful detail, forcing you to eat and sleep and take care to wear cold weather clothing at times, making frigid water potentially fatal, making diseases far more insidious, and so forth.

I see what you mean. I got really distracted in Heavy Rain when every police officer seemed to try to mock the Boston accent, but many of my friends didn't recognize that even after I told them. I can take different accents in the game since Skyrim could have different dialects in the holds, but one character changing his tone and dialect isn't something that should happen.

No...

If Skyrim is well-written or not? That's an opinion.
However, I personally believe there's such a thing as a crappy opinion. A crappy opinion not neccesarily being that you think Skyrim is well-written, but rather that you think it is (or that it's poorly written) and your reasoning is nothing but "it just is," AKA you can't support your own opinion.

Ignorance is a choice. Don't choose to be ignorant by never challenging or questioning your own opinion. Try to logically deduce WHY you have that opinion in the first place.
I think if there's any merit to your opinion, you should be able to support it with FACTS.

For example, it's a fact that Skyrim's main quest plot lacks foreshadowing. It doesn't hint about things to come at all. This is a shame because foreshadowing is a fun tool. It makes the audience go "OMG MINDF**K" the moment it all comes together and they realize the significance of past information provided to them.
It lacks pacing in that it doesn't bide it's time revealing plot devices so as to move you to the edge of your seat, but rather it constantly throws plot devices at you just as suddenly as you realize they exist. You never hear Delphine say "there's something we're missing.....we need dwemer blood" and then you're on some mystery hunt for dwemer blood. No, instead it's "we need dwemer blood.....here, check under the sink. That's where I keep my pet dwarf. Just stab him and extract some blood. Ok there we go, NOW you're Jesus."

Now as I said, make up your mind. One moment you're telling Morrowind fans to be able to take off the nostalgia goggles and think logically, the next I provide you with as logical of statements as I can, and your response is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c

I disagree with you but your comment reminds me of Bioware
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v287/pinto_grl/?action=view¤t=hawkesome.gif

why don't you calm down?

and to be fair, he doesn't owe you any form of obligation to supply you with a backing to his opinion.

Why do people here seem to think that if I'm challenging someone's opinion and/or argument, it must mean I'm raging or crying at my desktop or whatever??

As someone who disagrees with Longknife in terms of the overall quality of Skyrim, I have to say he's right about the plot of the game. The story isn't very good, and I think MW and OB weren't better.

Skyrim badly needs depth to it's characters, to it's stories, to it's factions...

Alduin? The World Eater? I can honestly say that i have fought Mudcrabs more fearsome than him, i really, really hope a future end game expansion fleshes that out, because the main story quest was a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge dissapointment.

lol, because it seems like you're angry.

the only way that we can get an indication your current attitude towards the situation is how your posts are being expressed to us. writing in bold letters (along with the underlining of various words) would suggest to some that you are taking this matter a tad bit too harshly.



uh...

why are you writing this to me? I haven't really put forth any effort to rebuke his statements or affirm my standing in this particular argument so you can assume I'm remaining neutral .

Oblivion's main plot was nothing special, but the Thieves' Guild there saved the day and stole the show. Morrowind's main plot, I think was interesting and well done. There were lowpoints to it, but you could keep them interesting if you were involved with the lore, AKA the in-game books, since many of them tied back to the main quest.


That's meant to indicate stress and importance of the word, or otherwise highlight my point.

But anyways it's late, I'm tired and this thread's about to hit the post limit.

Oh, come on. Dragon 1 and 2 were fun. You got to have smex with some fine booty. Linear pathing, you say? Meh.
Who needs content when you can have horribly animated scenes of various intercourses with exceptionally gay background music?

OB's guild quests, well TG and DB at least, were good. But MW's main quest was really dull for me. It started out relatively interesting, but the Ashlander quests totally killed it for me, I liked the dingeon crawling in Skyrim's MQ much more interesting just because the dungeons were at least different. The story of MW didn't pull me really in, since I never liked the whole Dunmer culture and the really interesting part about Lorkhan's Heart wasn't properly implemented in the story.

I know it doesn't fix the game, but it's the only reason I'm going to give skyrim another playthrough.

Well Dragon Age: Origins was the best and last good RPG from Bioware
Rest in Pieces Bioware

It would kinda look bad if I didn't though.


Alright, alright, fair enough. Though in my original post I wasn't as much as telling Morrowind fans to take off the goggles more as just saying we all need to. The first game is usually the one people love the most. That includes Skyrim AND Morrowind.

Skyrim's story, well, Beth has always been very good at crafting a world with story in it, but very bad at crafting a story in general. I cant deny what your saying about Skyrim's stories, because I share those views. However, there have been countless debates here about the civil war and which side to join. It IS deep. Infact, the quests feel all the more shallow in that questline because it feels like something more should be happening. The layers of Nord culture are rubbing against each other, the old traditional barbarian ways and the new more Imperial laws both being excepted at the same time is really a cool idea.

The writting is there! It's just burried like it's always been, in the books and the lore and in the background.

And I'm a big believer in characters. Many plot holes can be overlooked in a story if they can get you to care about the characters in it. And Skyrim was able to do that for me. Ulfric, the whole dark brotherhood, and Brynjolf a little were able to make me chuckle a few times, and got me to get involved in their stories. And when you allow yourself to get svcked into a story, may of it's flaws can be looked past. Beth just needs to figure out how to do that more often in my book.

ME2 and ME3 were good gameplay wise, ME2 was just a little bit stupid in the story department and ME3 went crazy somewhere along the line.

Are you considering Mass Effect to be an RPG at all? Because that entire series (well, 1 and 2, I haven't played 3 yet) is awesome.