actually its folks like you who seem to be more fanatical about morrowind than the supposed Acolytes of Morrowind . doing everything you can to invalidate anything that has to do with morrowind, I swear you guys seem more passionate than even the more die hard Morrowind fan...which doesn't even exists.

Oh, I understand that. I'm just saying, don't put any stock at all in the results of a "vote if you feel like it" poll on an internet game forum. It just really means nothing at all.

Doesn't mean they should never improve, which sadly seems to be the attitude around here. The first page is filled with apologist responses saying coding different quests for the Stormcloaks is "too hard."


Or maybe Morrowind just has more content, as does Oblivion.
I mean, go on Youtube and look up a final boss conversation with Dagoth Ur, go look up the final boss speech from Mankar Camoron, then look up one with Alduin. Oh wait, Alduin doesn't even have one.

I'm not even FROM the Morrowind or Oblivion camp; I'd consider myself the New Vegas camp. Nevertheless it's quite easy to see that Skyrim severely lacks a lot of what all three had to offer.

Gram: Unless you want for me to an Acolyte of Skyrim, please don't use demeaning terms like that. It doesn't make you cool, it's just flamebait.

No, I have nothing against Morrowind at all, really. I've looked at screenshots and the visual style doesn't generally appeal to me, even when I take into account the fact that it's an older game, but no, I really am not biased against the game, since I've never played it.

I'm just saying that, boy, there really does seem to be a really, really, hard-core contingent of super-serious Morrowind fans that tend to tout "the way Morrowind did it" over the way things are done in Skyrim. I've actually seen a thread where people argued that it's silly to have voice acting, and that we should go back to masses of text-speech instead...just like in Morrowind.

If people like Morrowind, fine. I assume it must have been a pretty good game. I'm just arguing against the mind-set where people complain about any change from the way Morrowind did things.

Well i do like Skyrim but i want TES 6 to have Attributes back, more spells including undead summons, longer and more fleshed out guilds and that people react to your actions like in Oblivion.

This forum isn't a representative sample, however, and therefore any results from those polls are statisically inaccurate and can be thrown out. But, I did go back an re-read his claim and it was that Morrowind is the most popular amongst gamers who have played at least 3 TES titles. I don't know if that can be totally sustantiated without a proper sample (not restricted to this forum), but I will say that if it weren't for Morrowind, I don't think I'd have ever gotten hooked on the series. At the moment, Skyrim is my favorite of the three. When I was playing Oblivion, it was my favorite. When I was playing Morrowind, it's the only thing I was playing... for months. I'm so used that the mantra that "only people who haven't played TES games before like Skyrim" so I sorta kneejerked.

Morrowind was my first. I do suffer from nostalgia for that game and pine for that feeling I had the very first moment I began exploring (of course I hated the hit system... I kept swinging at a rat, my first enemy, and it kept saying I was missing it... but then I got used to it and didn't mind so much). Honestly, Skyrim feels more like Morrowind to me than Oblivion did and maybe that's why I really dig Skyrim and why I use my [edit] Oblivion disc as a coaster now (just kidding... but you get the idea). I loved Skyrim, but Skyrim has made me turn on Oblivion and has, at the same time, made me lift up Morrowind on a pedestal... not becuase Morrowind is better, but because I feel like Skyrim is the true heir. The more I play Skyrim, the more I believe that Oblivion was the red-headed step child.

I'm not demeaning anybody and I'm not baiting anybody. It's just humorous shorthand for the more hard-core sort of Morrowind fan. Debating computer games is nothing to get uptight about, and there's plenty of room for humor.

Of course Morrowind has more content. It's mostly text in a mushroom wasteland. For some people, that's enough. For other's, it isn't. Better isn't a thing that can ever be fact. It will always be opinion, no matter how many people may side with the more popular choice. There will always be someone on the other side with a different opinion. That's just the way the world works, especially on the internet.

well let me be clear, I'm not calling you a hater on anything. its just...damn why is Morrowind such lighter fuel for people, get over it. yeah some folks like what Morrowind did with certain aspects, cool beans but seriously the pitch forks don't need to be brought out.

its like

Arena? who's Arena

Daggerfall the step child

Morrowind, for some reason either you like it or it pisses you off.

Oblivion the flighty colorful guy with Simplicity,

And Skyrim the newborn.


And what is with you people saying the Forum isn't representative of the entire fan base, Since when is everyone everywhere ever fully represented, unless you have a solid example of that -STOP- uttering that foolishness, it is as much of a sample as any statistic especially since its been done years over, and I'm talking about the peeps here being a sample of the Fan base, you guys aren't terribly special, theres nothing unique about your thought proccess that invokes you into the no count Base.

Think about it for a moment. Better yet, tell you what:

Go to the nexus and find two mods to download. Find one that has full voice acting, then find another mod that has none. You'll quickly notice that the mod without voice acting downloads really quickly, whereas the one with voice acting is gonna take a couple minutes.
Voice acting eats disk space, cuts into the budget, the time invested in other parts of the game and the size potential of the game. Without it, we could theoretically have more content within the game.

It's a perfectly fine, justified argument. You might not agree and think voice acting is worth it, but the point is those that disagree with you have good points aswell.

Is it okay if I call you a Bethesda apologist then?

Well, no point in getting upset when I can make a joke.

I wouldn't have even posted if you hadn't initially said "I can't see how anyone wouldn't see this as an improvement". That type of statement just begs for someone to offer a dissenting view. Sometimes, the forums even manage to have civil and enlightening discussions. Usually when we have a large supply and wide variety of cookies, and fresh fishysticks. (More normal is, for example, people who cannot, after my third post on the matter in a thread, accept that killcams make my game experience worse)

I'm glad you laughed. Now what are those cookies with the candied fruit in them? We need to bake up a tray.

There's something Bethesda needs to add to Skyrim: cookies. I can't recall seeing any, while Oblivion (with the proper mod) had several kinds. Admit it: we ALL want more cookies in Skyrim!

True which is why I think they should hire people from Obsidian or Red Project to work on the stories (sp?). I mean yeah having a big world is nice and all, but if its as shallow as a puddle whats the point?

Morrowind had depth, for Skyrim bethesda removed depth and replaced it with pretty. Older were limited in many areas due to technology, but they had a learning curve and alot of depth with character progression. And It's clear that companies today wants to eliminate theory crafting and the possibility of screwing up if you do not think, and I say fine.. if you must but then use the new technology and improve the areas where the older games where lacking and try to make it more - like deeper combat systems.

Games are steering away from being games and are starting to be more like interactive movies. Gamers want games, not pretty story telling.

TES series got famous thanks to it's older titles, so it makes little sense to me why Bethesda would change what TES stands for by so much. IMO half of Skyrims fame/hype is thanks the the previous titles.

Pretty much how I feel.

Also, I've never met an enemy that refuses to leave a room, if an enemy finds me they pursue me until I kill them or I outrun them.

Umm.. did I ever claim that every single person who has played at least 3 TES games would think one of them besides Skyrim was the best? No, only a majority. You do know millions of people play these games, so therefore I believe you probably have tens of thousands on your side.


I'm 44 years old and was in my 30's when MW came out. It wasn't a matter of me being young and dumb, MW had more depth. If you took the much improved combat system and graphics of Skyrim and applied them to MW, what a game you would have.

Then the last sentence was for you. The one where it says "most".

Especialy when Bethesda has habit to waste money on some 1-2 celibirities,

You're making baseless assumptions here. You have no evidence to support your claims.
Meanwhile, hundreds of forum-goers still play Morrowind to this day after having tried Skyrim (repeatedly, as in they TRY to give it another chance when Skyrim receives praise). Meanwhile, the New Vegas camp also has a large amount of players in the Skyrim forums aswell, ALSO voicing their concerns and criticisms of the small content spectrum of Skyrim. Are you gonna call a game that's only two years old filled with a bunch of nostalgic young'ns unable to realize the game wasn't good back in the good 'ole days of....well, last year?

And hell, my first game was Morrowind. While I respect it as a good game, I prefer Oblivion, as Morrowind's leveling and progression rate were simply too slow for me and I never felt like I got anywhere. (my highest character was probably only level 14?)

Voice acting does indeed take disk space, but so do great graphics. Atmosphere is depth, after all. It's part of the unspoken qualities of the game. The game isn't just a game, after all, it's also an experience, Gameplay is crucial, but it isn't the only vital aspect of the game. If it were, we could make do with sixteen-color graphics, low-polygon-count models and MIDI music, with text dialogue. The gameplay could still be excellent...but you would have lost all of the visual wonder and atmosphere of the game. You can dismiss all of that as unimportant, "surface", a "shiny wrapper" or whatever, but it isn't just extraneous bells and whistles. Having a real solid sense of design in the visuals, the voice acting, and the music is just flatly essential.

If you want to play a game - a good game overall, actually - that obviously saved money on their voice acting, go play Sins of a Solar Empire. A fairly popular RTS, I believe, with a lot of scope, but the voice acting is so bad that I actually get a little embarrassed if somebody is in the room and hears the speech in the game. It's that bad. Wat you call "celebrity voice acting" can also be called "paying for quality voice acting." It does make a difference.

Honestly, I don't want Obsidian near TES. I love their games, but they've always been buggy. And New Vegas was literally the straw that broke the camel's back for me. So far I guess I've been one of the lucky ones with Skyrim. I've only had one freeze and one quest bug (that I didn't care about anyway) in over 200 hours of gameplay. If people are complaing about the bugs in Skyrim, just imagine if Obsidian had their hands on it. They may be the master's of story, but if they can't make a game that can't play without random crashes, corrupted save files, etc. that occur frequently, then I'll settle for a book that they'll offer. But I don't want to scream at my television set while I'm playing TES games. I play them to relax.



I actually addressed my mistake above. However, this more recent claim is still just as baseless.


Wow. You're actually older than me. I got my hands on MW at the age of 28. But if they did recreate MW with Skyrim's graphics and combat system, I'd be all over that. They'd have to change the levellng mechanics for the combat system to work, however... and one thing leads to another. Could you imagine swinging your sword and getting a direct [visible] hit on an enemy just to see the text "You missed" on the screen? Yeah, wouldn't work to well. Or how you levelled in spellcasting... same thing. MW would need a total overhaul.

In defence of Obisidan, NWN2 was really great and not that buggy. The expansion MotB was even freaking great, they can do good stuff. Before DA2 and ME3 I would have said Beth should buy off the writers of Bioware, but I think Obsidian would do a better job. But still, story was never great in TES and was never the reason for me to buy the games.

And I'm probably the only person out there who doesn't like Wither 1 or 2. And CD Project don't do the "free roam" games like Beth's TES series is, so they wouldn't really fit into the concept.

You got New Vegas for PS3?

To bad the voice acting in combo with bad writing in beth games nulify that "quality"



MotB is one of best stuff Obsidian has come with,