Brothers and Sisters of Skyrim, of Tamriel


We must find an agreeable solution to the conflict that plagues Skyrim. Many of you know me as a Woman of staunch Imperial support; however, today I come not as its advocate of the Empire, but as an advocate of peace and mutual survival. The Dominion’s ruthlessly calculated terms for peace knowingly planted the poisons of divisions and dissident throughout the Empire in hopes that it would serve to weaken us as a whole, dividing our forces, presenting an easier target for their conquest. The longer this conflict continues the weaker our mutual position becomes, and the riper the target we make for another Aldmri invasion.


I propose granting the Stormcloak aligned holds in Skyrim a semi-autonomous status that is merely associated with the Empire, a state with their own elected King(s) at its head. This new state would be exempt from any and all Imperial obligation in peacetime, but in return would agree to allow Imperial conscriptions and emergency tax levies in the event of war with the Dominion. These men and fiscal obligations of the new Stormcloak state would not exceed the standard rate throughout the rest of the Empire. (as to not become abused) In return, the Empire would likewise guarantee the independence of the new state in the event of a sustained Dominion attack in the same manner that would befit one of its own provinces coming under attack.

This would serve to present a unified defense against the Dominion in an uncompromised fashion, while also allowing for all but independence for the Skyrim holds wishing to leave the Empire. The Stormcloaks would maintain Imperial protection against the Dominion and significantly expanded self-rule, whilst the Empire’s defensive ability remained uncompromised in a state of war. We must maintain the view that the Aldmiri Dominion are the true enimies, not eachother.

So the whelp has grown a pair, and wants to bite the hand that holds it's leash? Ha. Prove ye' mongrels can bite as well ye' breed with yer new-founds, and come back to the table with tha' Witch Elenwen's head in a feed bag. Then we'll have moot. Sure yer Allleshya 'd approve the job.
And next time, wipe the pig crap of yer boots, this is the Hall of a Jarl, a True Man, ne'er wet nursed by any Mer-woman. Think us to be barbarians on account o' living in greater hardship? Or yourself Lords for squatting in that Wild Elf tower? We'll talk with ye', of fight with ye', but either way we'll get respect off ye'.

Kind ser, I do belive you've forgotten to drink one of the mugs of mead setting on the banquet table.

Remembered the one, and the rest on 'em. Which brings to mind, the old crone of an ambassador's head, and a cask of Cyrod brandy, just to remind ye' do have some good and worth about ye'. Then the story can start at it's telling.

DEATH TO THE IMPERIALS !! Even though I fought for them in the Civil War. I retract my vow and pledge allegiance to the Stormcloak cause, I'll re-animate Ulfric's corpse to inspire morale in Stormcloak troops and strike fear into the hearts of Imperial supporters.

No peace, only independence for Skyrim, a return to the Nord ways of old, when we were strong and mighty and feared across Tamriel.

fine fine, play right into the thalmors hands if you like ulfric being a dormant asset to the thalmors plight... just remember even though the thalmor come with the imperials the storm cloaks are what gives them the power to win

[censored] !! Hammerfell fought them off alone when THE EMPIRE abandoned them, tried to [censored] them out to save their own skins. Disgusting.. And they'd do the same to Skyrim in a heartbeat. The Empire serves nobody other than the Imperial elite of Cyrodiil.


Two strong allied kingdoms (Skyrim and Hammerfell) would be far more of a threat to the AD than provinces ruled by a weak corrupt Empire, Nords fight better when they're fighting for a real cause, the Empire is not one anymore.



The Empire protects nobody anymore, they can't even keep the Thalmor out of Skyrim, allowing them to abduct Talos worshippers as they see fit. I spit on the Empire and all it's supporters.

My brother and sister. There's no glory in war. So what are you fighting for? Does it worth dying for?
We're become weaker and weaker for every steps we've taken. What is the real peace you're wanting for? Is it worth for every souls of dying comrades besides you? No, there are no real peace my friend.
Let's just say Stormcloacks and Imperials united and rid out Thalmor from Skyrim, but are you sure Thalmor will not avenge?
If Thalmor rid out in Skyrim, that's mean new Great War. And new Great War means new dying souls, new dying family, comrades. Is it worth it?

It's not a question of worth, whether we want it or not, the Aldmeri Dominion will certainly start a new great war.

And I agree with the notion as much as I despise stormcloaks an alliance between empire and stormcloak would be prudent in facing this threat.

Bite the hand that feeds her? No. Just trying t make the best out of a situation only the Thalmor is gaining by. If the nobles of this... great Empire... we support could get their eyes away from their greed and realize that letting Skyrim secceed without a fight in exchange for open trade and a military pact concerning the coming war with the Thalmor is a better option in the long run.
Ulfric becomes High King, the Nords are allowed to worship Talos and the Empire can return to prepare for war. Everybody wins, except the Thalmor.

A thousand times ten sharp axes, each swung wi' a heart as full as Wulfharth's, and a thousand of bowmen, aims on 'em guided by the winds of Kyne herself, not the one on 'em afraid to puke a string of red wine from their very guts into our snows. That's me boys and battle-wives. I'd reckon on the Dunmer rousing from their back'ards glancing for a chance to sour the milk o' Ol' Mary's teats an' all. May as well at it the sooner now, else next ye' know, you'll be building shrines to oul' Finster where holy an' bles't Talos is still worshipped aright. Truth to ye', I've been itching for the fight. Let's make it a tale worth o' telling before Shor himself.

One thing though, son of Cyrodiil, one whiff o' treachery, I'll bid the Merrish, chins an' ears an' all, a fine good day, leave 'em standing, hunt you out on any field o' war, and gut you like a fish. Tha's a personal promise, just between us, like honour owed a friend. Always good to know which wind is at yer back.

Did you think Skyrim alone can match up against Aldmeri Dominion? No, they didn't!
If you want to throw all souls away, so be it. Start that god [censored] Great War. But in the end you will realize, it's worthless, really.
If we really want to give peace to Tamriel, not just Skyrim. We need all of the part of Tamriel itself. We need to build up aligned from Valenwood, Elsywer, High Rock, Hammerfell and Morrowind. All must unite to form the greatest aliance to give that Thalmor [censored] dirt! Or even we sunk their island to the bottom of the sea. Now, that's the real peace.

Yes, Hammerfell fought them off, but in the wake of that conflict what remained was a shattered nation with deep political rifts. The fact that it took the "most naturally talented warriors of Tamriel" five years of fighting against a small, demoralized group of Thalmor should show that time spent preparing for another war would be well allocated. And for your allegations that Skyrim would be abandoned by the Empire, I would like to point out that Cyrodill is currently the only nation bordered by Dominion territories. In the unlikely event that Skyrim was "sold out", the Dominion would not be able to occupy it in the first place. It is far more likely that the remaining provinces would be used to strengthen Cyrodill as it would be the prime location for the next war to take place.
The many Nords who fought on behalf of the Empire against Ulfric says otherwise. I also feel that several provinces under a unified government would fare better against the Aldmeri Dominion, as well as the added bonus that after the war the provinces wouldn't devolve to fighting over the new territory. Although several figures in the Empire may be corrupt, I joined it so that I may fix that.
While Talos worshippers might not be protected from roaming justicars, an Imperial presence atleast deters total occupation by the Dominion, and it is important to note that the Empire is the largest entity in the Dominion's path. And before you say it, the Empire and Dominion are not allies. They both hate each other and expect another war soon, they just try to not be too vocal about their tendencies. If one consider's the death of the Emperor and the Imperial Council's disposition, a more belligerent Empire is no doubt on its way.

Edit: Crap, did I post another serious reply in a comedic thread?

Son of Cyrodiil? No, I am a proud Son of Skyrim. The Skyrim who bred the finest Empire the world have seen, the forebear to the Empire we know and serve today. The Empire that is willing to make the hard choices to protect as many of its citizens as possible while it rebuilds to face the Dominion.

If you consider my loyalty to the Empire threachery I bid you to honor your promise of hunting me down as I'll be waiting for you, hammer in hand and armored for war.

Treachery in politicking? Leave that to the book-lurkers an' tax-wringers. Fight at a man's side, or betray him on the field of butchery. That's the stuff that's thicker'n blood, stronger than countries an' flags an' walls an' armies. That's the import there, the soul-bonds that mean more'n a damn. If it's forget who's in charge, and fight Nord-side-to-Nord, let's shorten some too long lives.

Then lay down your senseless rebellion and save your strength for our common enemy, next to the ones who had their homes burned and families slaughtered: Our allies the Sons and Daughters of Cyrodiil.

People keep saying that going Stormcloak is supporting the Thalmor this is false. The Thalmor want to drag out the civil war as long as possible, if any side 'wins' its not good for them, The quicker the civil war ends the quicker one side or the other will stop losing men if you get my meaning.

Exactly why we ought to have a truce, no?

It's starting again.

I can think. Time regained.

Where are my bodies? They went.

No, I walked?was born?acted on the possibilities?

I can think.

They took my time, but I always leave them space. You are without me, my soul-twin, you are but you cannot do.

Just as I was not without you, but could act. Was all actions.

As you were all being. All IS.

You always forget, you are, but I knew I AM.

It's starting again, as it should, as always.

The end/between/beginning time. [It was ONLY ever about perspectives.]

They will war. They will make peace.

They will war upon war upon war.

And one of these wars, they will break the wheel.

They will break the wheel.

It will be their salvation.

As it should be.

They keep to my plan.

Break the Wheel, do not see the tower. Go beyond.

Create new possibilities.

New ways to be. New ways to do.

Survive the end of all possibilities, the end of I DO, I CAN, I WILL IT.

You were my brother, without me.

And yet you could not do. Could not will.

Existence without desire.

Time eternal, without space.

Nothing would happen. Forever.

I saved you from that. I sacrificed the time you taught me by being.

And will do for all your time.

And I give you my space, freely my brother.

So my children can know I AM.

And we will never end.

For I taught you to desire to exist.

This is the time I have. So short. So little being. So little knowing.

The End. The herald of the New.

It is starting. The cycle of wars.

The catalyst for the desire to know I AM.

The horror of not wanting to know IS NOT.

And at the last, the horror dawning.

The realisation of I AM without I DO.

Without I WILL IT.

I saw I first, I WILL IT first.

And you must continue that, O children of mi(my brother's)ne.

You who call me SHOR, you will be sacrificed. As was I.

So that you will know I AM again.

Not now. Not with this war. Or the next, but you will know.

The death does not last forever.

*bling bling*
*Serious discussion thread successfully converted into comedic thread*

Anyway, i wish the stormcloaks could see that the root of the problem is the thalmor. Its not like the empire decided one day to "Hmm im in a blasphemous mood today; lets ban the worship of a certain Talos", its because of the thalmor pummelling the empire's [censored] yea?

Would like to add that IF the stormcloaks TRULY can defeat the thalmor presence on their own and chase em out of skyrim, i would be quite agreeable to letting skyrim be "independent" , so as to speak, as long as it doesnt result in some tyrannical government (which ulfric seems prone to create, what with his "BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF SKYRIM LET US DIE WITH GLORY while i hide behind the curtains!"

Scumbag. Maybe someone should introduce raizen sama here for some spicing up.

But the Empire obviously hate Talos! That's why they've banned his worship! It's not like he's revered as one of the Empire's creators and it's greatest hero, no no. And the Empire would never be smart enough to openly stop worshipping Talos to appease the Dominion, and then continue to work against the Thalmor "in secret".

And Ulfric does not lead a racist powermongering movement that commit any atrocities to achieve their goals. They're just fighting for freedom!

An independent Skyrim can fight a guerilla war against the AD if they ever did invade. Look at our geography, it's perfect for ambushes and we know it like the back of our hands. With Talos behind us the Nords can beat any invaders.

With all of the Thalmor patrols out, no doubt you've seen them in strange places? I'm willing to bet that the main reason (Other than the enforcement of the ban on Talos.) Is gathering information on the Terrain and creating maps for their next conquest. The longer the Empire and the Stormcloaks fight over who should rule what, they have the Thalmor learning the land like the back of THEIR hands.

J'derras thinks the war is foolish. The Stormcloaks should not be killing off Imperials, making the Empire weaker for Thalmor advancement. They should be striking against the root of the problem, the Thalmor Embassy. Let us keep in mind that it wasn't the Empire that committed the first act of war. Better for the war to be called off so both Stormcloak and Imperial alike can kill those racist, inbred elves and drive them out of the Empire. Sure there is some corruption in the Empire now, but there is also a lot of good. Let us quaff the Imperials whose pockets are lined with the Thalmor's gold and put in some "real" leadership who is not bought out and sold like fine commodities. You Stormcloaks say Skyrim is for the Nords, well anyone who is a citizen of Skyrim is a Nord not by blood, but by spirit. Let outsiders into your fold, accepting them as brothers and sisters, and you shall grow stronger in arms, morality and justice.

Now is the time to end the blood-shedding of kin, and the time to strike at the heart of tyranny in the Summerset Isle. FOR PEACE, FOR JUSTICE, FOR EQUALITY, TO WARRRRRRRR!!! *against the Thalmor*

No, Skyrim belongs to the Nords. Outsiders are not welcome. Go to Cyrodiil if you want a diverse melting pot.