That should be absolutely fine then. If your player does that then they will not be overpowered. If your player wants to create the best weapons ever, taking the time to lvl these skills and then using them in the desired way to achieve the maximum damage on a weapon then they are going to be overpowered. And they should be, that was the desired affect.

Smithing nerf?

Never heard of specific changes made. Any ideas where patch notes or something would be stuck?

And on the topic of "nerfing" and difficulty levels, I'd have preferred damage taken and damage dealt to be two different sliders.

I'd like the ability to possibly be one shot if I'm not careful but I don't want to gut my own damage to the point where it's just an arrow sponge(Oblivion). Keep in mind, I do not use the alchemy/enchanting stuff. Too much work for me to bother with. So gimping my damage on the higher difficulties do in fact make the fights more annoying than challenging.

I'm currently using a Legendary Skyforge Steel Sword. I two shot most things. Skyforge stuff is equal to ELVEN
Why is it that I can't smith past Steel, for fear I become OP?

And how do you know if I want to be OP if I use smithing? I want to be stronger, not ridiculously so.

You know very well that if they fixed that loop people would cry foul, loudly. Louder than anything thus far.

This is true. allows you to become a Demi-god if you want to. If you don't, you just have to limit yourself a bit. This goes with every part of the game.

May I ask what difficulty your on and your armor rating.

You can make legendary Daedric stuff(upgrading found or atronach forged stuff) without even taking a single smithing perk.

Smithing % gear and potions and go.

But what if I want to use smithing, or enchanting, but don't want to be OP?

I never had to limit myself in (excuse me for possibly being a Morrowindfag) Morrowind. Why here?

Again it's all about choice. I've only used the loop on 1 character. He was an unarmed khajiit that only wore heavy gauntlets with clothing. I made it so the gauntlets alone gave ample protection, and the unarmed enchantement was strong enough for later stages of the game.

Master, always.

I'd have to check my armor rating. I'm in full Legendary Steel, minus the helmet.

So instead of limiting yourself you would rather someone else should. It's the same thing wether it's you or them. You want them to remove your options so you can feel better about how you play you're own game. Sounds like you have no self control bro.

I dont think it's unbalanced. If you put the time and resources into leveling your enchanting it should make you more powerful.

If they made it weaker then we would get a bunch of people complaining that it isn't worth it.

You've been able to become an all powerful demigod in all of BGS's recent games (OB & FO3 in my experience) if you worked at it and got everything up. I don't think why Skyrim should be any different. I play on Adept difficulty, and I have a fairly hard time sometimes. I don't want to be limited further.

I do have self-control, it's just if I want to RP some Daedra worshiper and want to waltz around in Daedric stuff, I have to OP. Why is that?

On my one smithing 100 character plus perks I don't use any fortify smithing equipment when I upgrade my gear. It gets you to legendary but not super high levels. On him I have around 520 armor with the shield. It's enough but doesn't hit the cap. I am wearing dragonscale armor with dragonplate helm. So that does drop me a few points. As far as enchanting if you stay at 3/5 or even 4/5 on the first perk it won't get to extreme levels.

It is always an assured thing that a Bethesda game needs an UI mod and a rebalance mod.

You and I aren't most people. >< I've never used it. It's just not worth it to me. If I do anything with my current assassin it'll be spell cost reduction for illusion and alteration spells, and if I can't get it to 0, whoop dee doo. I'm not going to exploit a glitch to do it(I'm mostly lazy).

Doesn't change the fact that there would be a huge kvetchfest about it.

I never use Fortify anything, be it potions or enchants. I still destroy everything.

I hate it when people make armor hit the cap and weapons that do 300 damage before enchants and then say the game is too easy now. It was their choice to do it in the first place.

I bet you grinded smithing up to(which I consider an exploit). If you didn't and you can legit make legendary gear, then legendary gear usually is legendary. I'd say it would be pretty powerful. I bet mages give you a hard time as well unless your enchanting is really high. In that case if you have legitly worked your character up without just grinding then I'd say that was what you wanted. To be able to make things that could two shot people. If you didn't then why where you using those skills?

Yeah, fortify weapon damage is ridiculous, even more so considering you can wear four items that stack.

I think the gaming community needs a rebalance mod.

You don't have to have deadric gear to roleplay a deadra worshipper. Even if you do nobody made you upgrade it to legendary. And if you wanted to make it legendary and are complaining that legendary is to strong then you have no self control.

I'll admit I grinded. But I don't consider it an exploit. I payed a pretty penny for the mats to grind.

Most mages do nothing. The only ones who can really get me are the ones who spam Ice Storm.

I wanted weapons that were more powerful, but not two-shot powerful.


Oh, but I never smith Daedric up to Legendary. Then it just becomes ridiculous. I never improve Daedric stuff, nor Ebony. I never use Dwarven or Orcish because they look ugly, IMO.

There's always a bit of grinding.

My enchanting and alchemy on my assassin isn't exactly being ground out(I grind out potions after I've stocked up a boatload of ingredients but I don't just sit there and grind, buy more, grind, buy more... I make large batches to level with occasionally as inventory cleanout mostly) but I do take illusion and grind that out on non hostile targets to around 50 or so since it's slow to level in practice. Same with Alteration. Weapons skills go as I go along, and I don't actually level up till my weapons skills are at a point where I'm comfortable with the difficulty increase(grinding out any non combat related skill tends to make mobs a pain in the butt I've noticed).

I like you.