PC's are expensive. Geeze $500 is not expensive? So why did yo uupgrade your computer? So it cost you $349 Canadian. I am in Canada as well. Geez I can get a brand new 360 or PS3 for $300 so yeah consoles are cheaper right now. Also I can get another game for that $50 as well. So please tell me, how PCs are cheaper than consoles?

Again, good for you. You can upgrade your computer. For alot of us, we can't because we don't know.

Why do people have to keep throwing it in our face saying PCs are cheaper for a gaming rig. With my experinace espicially trying to by parts singally, I can tell you right now, it's not cheaper making a PC gaming rig over a console. Espicially if you consider time, money on gas, to go here to get mother board, go there, to get monitor, go over there for graphics card. Now it's not cheaper in time or moeny over consoles.

Now the next person who says this, I want everything broken down exactly how much a gaming PC will cost.

*edit* and not just say power cord, I want actual proof, so name the power cord, name the price and name where to get it.

[quote name='Davor' date='30 October 2010 - 02:13 PM' timestamp='1288462408' post='16601111']
So now I am an idiot now because I can't make a gaming PC. I am not saying Hungry Donner is saying it, but for all the people who say you can get a gaming PC for under $800. I can't do it because I don't know how. So it's not easy. You might as well be saying everyone can do brain surgery since all they have to do is read up on it. It's not so easy. [/quote]

Unlike brain surgery, assembling a PC is something you can self-teach very easily.

[quote]Then again, if you can make your own gaming PC, wouldn't that mean you can make your own computer games then? So why are you buying computer games when you can be making your own? We buy consoles because we don't want to make a gaming PC. [/quote]

No. Making PCs is assembling hardware for the most part. Making PC games is coding, doing voice and art work, bugtesting, and doing all manner of involved task. Making a PC is basically choosing compatible parts and then putting tab A into slot B.

[quote name='Davor' date='30 October 2010 - 02:25 PM' timestamp='1288463140' post='16601181']
Also I can get another game for that $50 as well.[/quote]

Not if you're on the consoles, since new console games cost 60 instead of 50.

[quote]Why do people have to keep throwing it in our face saying PCs are cheaper for a gaming rig. With my experinace espicially trying to by parts singally, I can tell you right now, it's not cheaper making a PC gaming rig over a console. Espicially if you consider time, money on gas, to go here to get mother board, go there, to get monitor, go over there for graphics card. Now it's not cheaper in time or moeny over consoles. [/quote]

People don't say PCs are cheaper, people say that PCs aren't nearly as expensive as console players seem to think; why, people have been saying it costs upwards of $4000 dollars to get a gaming PC, and that's simply not the case.

[quote]Now the next person who says this, I want everything broken down exactly how much a gaming PC will cost.[/quote]

Sure.

[url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147153]Case, $55[/url]
[url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103286]Processor, $70[/url]
[url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128394]Motherboard, $70[/url]
[url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146526]Memory $74 for 4gb[/url]
[url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136319]Hard Drive $65[/url]
[url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005]Power Supply $90[/url]
[url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161296]Graphics Card $119[/url]
[url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204]DVD burner, $20[/url]
[url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754]Windows 7 home edition, 1 liscense, $100[/url]

Total cost: $663 Add in maybe sixty bucks for a mouse/keyboard combo and you're golden.

Not including a monitor because that's separate hardware, in much the same way I don't include the price of a TV in the cost of a console.

The only other thing you're missing is a SATA cord for the HDD, but that's three bucks and can be bought anywhere, though New Egg has them too.

[quote]*edit* and not just say power cord, I want actual proof, so name the power cord, name the price and name where to get it.
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The power cord is generally included with the power supply. Derp derp.

It really is that simple. It's not unlike Legos. You're just working with something a bit more delicate.

And for only double the price of a console (maybe even less, if you're thrifty) you'll have a competent rig that will provide you with a huge amount of entertainment value in the form of a game library that goes all the way back to the dawn of video games.

No $500 isn't expensive. Why else did I upgrade my computer. The 4yr old one that I was using, was at the end of the life for the current generation of gaming. The reason why you can get a PS3 or 360 for that is because they sell at a loss, where they make money is on accessories.

You don't know how because you don't want to look up how to do it. You don't want to spend the same amount of time reading how to do something, as you do sitting down playing a game. The same reason as to why you're throwing up artificial roadblocks to stop yourself. Because you believe it to be true, that it's going to be expensive.

Try newegg.ca, www.canadacomputers.com or www.tigerdirect.ca, and look around. You don't understand how slot a goes into slot b? Google, learn, research. You can even research the prices yourself, including the basic 'prebuilt' PC's. However a prebuilt PC will run you $200 more give or take, but will easily last you 4 years, about the same as building your own.

Fixed for people who aren't maple leaves.

I use PS3 because I'm sixy like that, I have played FO:NV to near death, only have crashed 6 times, which is very surprising

Hey! You want our tasty maple syrup and beaver tails! Everyone wants to be part of the cult of maple leaves.

He types likes he actually has brains and isn't on auto pilot.

what is autopilot in this case?

one direction

Doesn't listen to additional input

Anything otherwise is incompatible.

Changing course is all of a sudden hostile even if its just an input and not being forced.

Kudos to you man :celebration:

You can get an Alienware M17x-R2 for $1999 (I have one, that's what I paid for it). I play Fallout New Vegas on the highest settings possible with no lag whatsoever. So, I'm telling you that you can buy a computer that can run Fallout New Vegas on maximum quality lag-free for under $4,000. Do some research.

he's right on the money about this, though i bought my computer pre-essembled, lurking in the Tech thread in CD, i've learned alot and can take mine apart and put it back together which i do for cleaning with ease, if a meat-head like myself can do it, anyone can :wink_smile:

I'd hate to be in your position when the U.S. annexes Canada for the war effort during the events leading up to the first Fallout.

Canucks are this way about stuff. You get used to it, it's part of our culture. We dig in, get stubborn, and be 'nice' about it(most of the time).

Syrup and tails for evar! We kill with sweetness, that's what the syrup is for.

All lies there will be an annex! Ooh wait they'll give us cookies?
All good, come on then!

I think that if you're going to buy any gaming PC it should NOT cost over 1500 dollars unless if you want some super computer. Also PCs pay off in the future but Isee what you're saying that not everyone can afford such things but just don't buyiong a 4000 dollar machine.

If you have all these responsibilities and your buying a console, I don't see why you can't hold off just a bit more to by a 800$ comp that would curb stomb the consoles. otherwise having a console should be the LAST of your interests if all those *issues* you posted are so dire.

Not to mention that if someone has so many problems in terms of bills, debt, and other things to take care of, even spending $200-$300 on a console should be out of the question. Unnecessary spending is unnecessary spending, regardless of the amount. That's why I've never understood the "I'm broke and have bills to pay" excuse when it comes to refusing to build a gaming PC.

You could also build your own PC from individual parts for much, much less and not pay an exorbitant amount for the Alienware brand name. (It works this way for all prebuilt computers.) If you spend $2000 on PC parts, that should score you nearly top-of-the-line hardware which would likely be total overkill except for Crysis 3 or 4.
The actual "building" part is easy. Pretty much just screwing things in and plugging things in, and that's it. Only catch is to not be touching the hardware if you've got static electricity built up on you, and don't try to bend a circuit board.

"It will pay itself off in the future"

What the crap? No it wont!! You have to update and upgrade your comp every two damn years!

Misinformation.

I've been running the same rig for about (make that closer to three) years and I'm still able to play New Vegas on high settings.

Besides, you still need to "upgrade" (buy a new console) every new "generation" to keep up with things on that side.

And on another note, requirements for PC games have really been hitting a wall lately. Massive upgrades aren't as necessary as they were many years ago.

No you don't. Do you upgrade your console every 2 years? Same principle. Unless you're trying to run each iteration of Crysis at fully maxed settings as soon as it's released, you don't need to upgrade all the time.

I've been using this computer for 4 years, runs NV on very high settings. Could've maxed it out if my second video card didn't die last year.

This, too. If you have a gaming rig with specs comparable to an Xbox 360, you'll most likely be able to get away with using that rig for as long as the 360 lasts before Microsoft's new console comes out, given the fact that most PC games today are (unfortunately) either console ports or designed side-by-side with the console versions, thus hitting that "wall" I spoke of in my last post.

Well a PC from 2 years ago is more powerful than any console on the market currently. So that's kinda moot, the whole reason why consoles are at the state they are is the average lifetime is ~6 years. You can build a mid-range PC now for around the same price. And it'll last you the same. I like working on a 3yr rotating cycle for components, and only upgrade as I need to.

In all the years of gaming on the PC I've only upgraded my PC for one game and that was dragon age. Besides with the number of people who deal with RROD's and other crap with failed consoles and buying a new one every 1-3 years(including because they refuse warranty), you'd still be better off buying a mid-range computer.

The most positive upside with a PC that you build on your own, is you're not bound to proprietary hardware, or configurations. You can mod your hardware, you can mod your software, you can do anything you want. And there's no one standing over your shoulder going...if you do that, you'll get BANNED!

Yeah, I know. Building a PC is much, much cheaper. The thing is, though, I can afford to spend money on a nice gaming laptop so that's what I did. I travel a lot (freelance programmer/contractor) and, to be honest, hauling a PC everywhere to play games would be a bit much. But, yes, I totally agree that building your own gaming rig is much cheaper.

I thought this was topic was about DLC being exclusive for xbox. To which, I am right pissed about. The DLC should be released on all platforms within a few days of each other if not at the same time. Not exclusively to one system thats bs.

Sorry you are wrong here. Some people just don't have the aptitude to do this. Just like some people can sew while many others can't. No matter how much you self teach or have someone teaching you, some people just can't do it. People who say it's easy to learn, have the aptitude to do so, but don't expect just because you can do it, everyone else can do it as well.


Again I disagree. Once all the hard ware is hooked up, then you have to deal with the soft ware, Drivers, BIOS and other stuff that needs to be done. I know, I tired.

Yeah I know, I can't understand this for the life of me. Oh well, You guys pay more for the rigs, we pay more for the games. It just goes to show you, Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo know where to milk the money.

Again you are wrong. Many people say PCs are cheaper. One person got a bit pissed and said a PC costs $4000. So what. Don't we all blow up at one time or another? So he exagerated a bit. It could also have been a typo as well. Even if it wasn't I can understand, I hate people telling me I shouldn't be on the console but PC only. You know how frustrating it is, PC players don't repect our desires to play on a console.

Again, I have tried, and there is no way I can make a system that cheap. Every time I see something wrong, or it's too good to be true. I never seen nothing so cheap to get. Again, I am no expert. I am not saying it can't be done, I am saying I can't do it.


No it's not that simple. Again simple for you, not for me. So frustrating, why isn't this working, even though I did it exactly it says on Google or from other computer experts. Yes it is so delicate, another reason I can't do it. I got a cheap parts, and it was so hard to put it, because it was so tight. You spend more, it is easier to install. Buy cheap, and you almost have to force what ever inside. About playing games to the dawn of video games is also false. Lots of games will not play on Windows 7. Again, frustration trying to get old games to run. I just want to turn on and play, I do not want to spend hours trying to get something to work. Try playing Morrowind on Windows 7. It took me over 2 hours to get it running. Very frustrating, and I hated it.

*edit* I had a whole bunch more quotes but it said I had too much so I had to delete alot of what I just said.

You're fooling yourself into believing that you can't do it. You can if you really put your mind to it. Don't sell yourself so short, and try to avoid the bottom of the barrel when it comes to parts. Buying cheap works well, but it sounds like you really ran across some unusually crappy parts.

Also, there are numerous work-arounds for older games on modern operating systems. Ever heard of a popular application called DOSBox? It works wonders.

As well, Morrowind was up and running for me with little problems on Windows 7 last time I played it. Then again, I stick with 32-bit versions operating systems.