I don't remember sources saying Skyrim is under Martial law but It does make sense that it is though. However, and correct me if I'm wrong, but the martial law gives all the power to the governor. Obviously there is no rank called Governor. That's just more or less a title they gave to someone who is in charge of a region. Besides Governor is different then Military Governor. And what sources say he executed citizens? That guardsmen in Solitude? if that's the case he's a guard in Solitude, thus putting him under Imperial command, ofcourse Tullius can execute him. (Though it was the captain of the Solitude guard if I remember.)

If the civilian leader of your entire empire, your boss, the Big Kahuna, the one who sent you there in the first place and from whom you derive authority, is in your territory (and here I'm not going to entertain the idea that military governor is different than any other sort of governor- he's the empire's man in Skyrim, they don't have anyone else in charge there) then it IS his responsibility. If the game were realistic, the Legion should stand down as of the empire's death, because there is no one on the throne any longer and hence no orders.

If such a huge fail can happen under Tullius' responsibility, that must mean he's a terrible general, right? Useless, to use your terminology.

That would just make a lot of other generals vie for the position if any were power hungry!

So rather than placing the responsibility with an elite cadre of bodyguards, the entire Legion in Skyrim should stop what they're doing and protect the Emperor instead? The Emperor already has a force with it's own commander to look after him, and I am sure as Emperor he understands the importance of keeping the pressure on the Stormcloaks. As I am sure we all know, Commander Maro was in charge of security during the Emperor's visit, and as such it is his fault if something happens.

Let me get this straight, it's Tulius' fault because he is the one in charge? That would make sense if there wasn't a bloody war going on and dragons swooping down overhead..

That's why you have groups like the blades and the Marro guy, so your general can focus on more pressing issues.

The Blades whom the empire gave over to the Thalmor? Oh right, those. lol

I don't think it's Tullius' fault, but that's because I recognize that sometimes [censored] happens, and it happens often during wartime. So one misstep, even a disastrous one, doesn't mean that a general isn't a good strategist or leader in the larger scheme of things. Let alone "useless," as you said Ulfric was.

The same blades who already lost most of their members and were disbanded by the Empire?
But Ulfric's insistence on gaining Markarth during the ceasefire, which somehow turned into this conversation about Tullius, was not a great decision on his part.

Holding Tullius responsible for the assassination of the emperor is like holding Mayor Earl Cabell responsible for the assassination of John F Kennedy. Arguing that it was Tullius' duty because the emperor was travelling through hostile territory is ridiculous. The emperor wasn't killed by Stormcloaks, he was killed by a separate third party. If the emperor had been in Cyrodiil, that same third party would have been killing him there.

The blades had been all but killed off during the Great War, and the Empire was forced to disband them due to the White-Gold Concordat, but It's hard for me to imagine they didn't replace them with a similar force. An Empire that size has to have intelligence operatives, especially given the many functions beyond foreign subterfuge the Blades had been responsible for, such as personal security for the Empire.


Anyways, Tulisa's is in no way responsible for the Emperor's death. Tullius is a legion general, not head of the emperor's security detail. The Stormcloaks also had nothing (unless i'm missing somthing) to do with it, it was just an internal power battle.

I'll admit one thing about Ulfric, he's a great leader. Not smart, but he knows how to rally people. Now if only he had someone smarter to call the shots.

He does. It's called the Emperor.

He be dead

They'll be a new Emperor or Empress.

He could follow me. I mean, he's not fit to rule, but he does know how to fight. So he might as well do something useful.

Hmm, there's an idea. An Ulfric companion mod...

Yea that would be cool to have a follower with a Thu'um. Too bad i don't play on pc.

*fires up dead thrall*

Yep. Saying Tullius is responsible is like trying to lay blame on Adamus Phillida for Uriel Septim's death at the beginning of Oblivion. It's Commander Marro's fault not Tullius'. The Penetus Occultus or what ever they are called are Mede's personal bodyguards.

Sadly this is also the case. Those who have taken a definite side seem to go out of their way to paint the other side as incompetent. Personally I think that if either side really was that incompetent they would have next to no one that would argue their case and they wouldn't have good arguments to use.

Honestly, it is difficult to discuss strategy without a firm idea of just what the two opposing sides have available in terms of resources and manpower. Ulfric's bid for Markarth may well give him the funds to boost his army considerably with regards to recruiting mercenaries for example... what do they have available to them anyhow?

People like that have no business running a country.

Also I'd say trading Riften for Markarth isn't that smart. Because even though they get the silver they're still trapped in Imperial Territory, and the silver they try to move can easily be stolen by the Imperials.

Large group of Imperials: "Hey thanks for mining all the silver for us, we'll just take that off your hands now."

If a Dragonborn working for the Brotherhood were sent to kill Ulfric, will the result be different? You can wander into the palace of the Kings and even in Ulfric's bedroom... It would be even easier than dispatching the emperor and his guards.

Pretty [censored] example right here. I could have killed Ulfric a thousand times over, if that bastard wasn't essential. Infact I tried that at first, hoping that killing him early would start a new quest line. I knocked him, and his lackeys out with ease.

Fus Ro Dah is nothing against wards.

But the dragonborn wasn't sent to kill Ulfric so it doesn't matter. Why would i support an empire to protect me when they can't protect the one person who counts?

So, Ulfric couldn't even protect himself from an ambush... why would I support a leader who got so easily captured in the open field?

Hmm..maybe because he's just a jarl of a small bunch of guerrilla fighters. Not part of the "O so powerful Empire! Won't you protect me from the Thalmor that you let into our homeland and take us out of our homes to kill us!?" that can't even protect themselves.