"From my point of view, the Dawnguard are evil"

Yeah, I know. I sound like a hypocrite now. How do you justify the Dawnguard? Goodie-two shoes at the bottom of the food chain who refuse their place as meager prey?

"We like to talk big, vampires do. 'I'm going to destroy the world.' That's just tough guy talk. Strutting around with your friends over a pint of blood. The truth is, I like this world. You've got – the dog racing, Manchester United, and you've got people: billions of people walking around like Happy Meals with legs. It's all right here. But then someone comes along with a vision, with a real passion for destruction."
—Spike
From the trail the whole ending the tyranny of the sun seems to imply blotting out the sun which long term is very bad for vampires. If thats the plan it be the wise choice for all vampires to oppose it.

Must.....resisit.....can't......prove....Godwin.....right....o FRAK IT.

Hitler was evil. You can't say he wasn't....that's its just subjective.....hitlers actions speak for why he is evil. He is evil not because....well....it's just your opinion man...or something...he is evil because of the actions he chose to do, regardless of whether he thought he was doing good or not.

Forget the romantic and tragic figure of count Janus Hassildor, these vamps look closer to the stereotypical villains of Blade than those depicted in the XIX century gothic novels.

Oh geez. Your had to bring out the mustached one, didn't you. I will not speak out on this subject anymore. Firstly, because it will derail the thread even more than it already has been. Secondly, my personal opinions on the Nazi regime is not related to this topic.

Wana talk werewolves. Fine. As you can tell in Skyrim a werewolf can be controlled. Your not out of control, and you can use it to help the good rather than the EVIL. Vampires are not evil, but what they do is evil. A vampire feeds on blood instead of other foods.

But as said before, blood flows threw every animal. To take the life of a walking, breathing, THINKING, individual, while you can easily feed on a horse, or a cow, is an act of evil.

Your fellow Vampire only furthers my point with this quote.


Clearly feeding on humans is a selfish act... FEED ON THE THALMOR HOOVER DAM IT!

Try to cure itself. Live peacefully. Only take small amounts of blood so the victims don't die. Feed on animals. etc.

There is no justifying a creature exterminating all others for the sake of power.

The cure requires a filled black soul gem. Lore wise its saying you need to kill a human being to cure yourself of the curse.

1 human vs. the hundreds of others you will need to kill in order to survive.

Well what do you expect me to do? You your self said there is really no such thing as true evil, just a label. So i had to bring out someone who himself is seen as a personification of evil, and who's evil deeds are well known.

But perhaps this topic should end here. This topic is about not wanting to be apart of evil vampires, not about real world evil men.

I agree. What I read from the whole "ending the sun's tyranny" hing, and from my own uncommon sense, was that the vampires magic, or another supernatural means to manipulate the sun, changing it into something else. Still a source of life, but a source that favors them.

Utilitrianism... I like it

Wait....weren't you just saying....

"Only take small amounts of blood so the victims don't die. Feed on animals. etc."

So doesn't that mean that you don't actually need to kill hundreds of people to survive?

Well, I'm hoping the Dawnguard aren't douchebags as we don't know much about them yet. I assume they are simply protecting the weak.

I'm usually against vamps because they're often portrayed as arrorgant plus they must prey on (or bully) the weak to survive. (If they're so damn good then why don't they go feed off of a giant. I'd like to see how that turns out.)

Which brings me to my second point: the Dawnguard are simply humans and I'm a svcker for the underdog. Vamps have all kinds of dark magic and supernatural powers up their musty old sleeves. The Dawnguard have nothing but balls of steel between their legs and crossbows in their hands.

Yes, I think I'm going to enjoy this DLC

Agreed.

A vampire exterminating man and mer for no reason but to make life easier for them, is Genocide.

If you can jutisfy Genocide as anything less then Evil, be my guest, but you can't.

To survive, yes. Though you may just want to put that all behind you and end it, have a better life, it's a bit selfish, but it's better than how the vampires in the DLC operate.

People are confusing the romantic interpretations of fantasy vampires with TES vampires. TES vampires are far closer to the original Count Dracula, D&D vampires and mythological vampires in personality than to Buffy/Twilight/Dark Souls' vampires. They were created as a blight upon Nirn to spite Arkay by Molag Bal.

Vampires are parasites, not tragic and misguided souls.

So after they take out all of Skyrim, they'll deplete their food supply and have to venture elsewhere, which means they'll have to blot out the sun there too. Even if it's a step by step process, in the end the result will be the same.

I've heard a bunch of different things, but I believe vampires' taste for HUMAN blood is more of an addiction than a necessity. Biting humans also has the benefit of creating more of your kind, since the undead can't reproduce.

Also in Oblivion's cure for vampirism quest, you just needed a bunch of ingredients. Don't think you needed any filled black soul gems.

O i don't mind most of the TES vampires being like the evil Count Dracula. Though TES has shown that there are a few who don't follow the norm of being a vampire. I would hate if TES pullled a twilight and showed many vampires as good. That would be stupid, a good vampire in TES are supposed to be rare.

So the whole biting there necks to drink, but doesn't turn them, is just a game mechanic in skyrim, and isn't canon then? Therefore any vampire that drinks from a human either has to kill him or turn him, am i right?

I wonder how that good vampire couple in Oblivion (that quest in which you had to cure the wife i think, haven't played the game though) then were able to stay undetected while existing in human society if all their victims were either killed or turned.

No. The Companions do NOT fit the regular bill on werewolves at all. They are a different type of Lycanthrope modified by a pact with the Glenmoril Witches. Sinding is a regular werewolf. He transforms under the full moon, and cannot control his bloodlust. Replay Daggerfall and Bloodmoon. A werewolf in both of those games are by all means savage, brutal creatures who have nothing else on their minds but instinctive bloodlust. And if you do not kill a person, you will increasingly lose health. And they can't kill an animal, they must kill a person. Since the deaths of mortals is considered a sacrifice, it is the only one Hircine finds acceptable since he is known as the Sacrifice of Mortals and the Father of Manbeasts.

Werewolves kill to survive. So they are not evil. Same can be said for vampires. Though vampires are aware of what they do, but the blood of humans seem to sustain them more.

It might be that these new Vampires are enemies to the Cyrodilic vampires in Skyrim, so it's a possibility that we'll have some good/neutral vampires and werewolves as part of the Dawnguard. I'm hoping Dawnguard isn't as extreme as the Vigilants but still has the same general mission of fighting supernatural evil.

This peaks my curiosity. What if we are already vampires? Will the dialogue be changed? Sort of how Alva knows the player is a vampire.

If anything, the Cyrodiilic Vampires might not even be "neutral", since they come off as power-hungry political manipulators and elitist Daedric worshipers.

I was referring to general vampire lore, not TES. Although Janus Hasildor and Vicente Valtieri (?) can turn you with a single bite instead of the random chance of porryphic hemophilia. Why you don't do it to other people is probably just so you don't screw up the game too much.

And since vampire are undead, you kill them AND turn them