Ok so the characters i play in Skryim are vampires, and i don't have any plans on curing them right now. However in Dawnguard it seems that there is this whole Vampire vs non-living conflict, and that the vampires want to wipe out life or something (through *turning off* the sun, so to speak),

However what if i don't want to join this vampire faction? Not all vampires in skrym are evil (though most are) and want to wipe out Mankind (if i remember right Sybille Stentor is one who doesn't seem to be apart of some evil vampire faction).

What if i want to rp a vampire who is a loner, perhaps not a shining becon of morality, but still someone who doesn't want to see what the vampires in Dawnguard are planning to come to fruitation.

Is there a possibility to be netural in Dawnguard or will one must choose? If i want one of my vampire characters to join the Dawnguard will they have to be cured? Or can he still enter as long as he stays in stage 1-3? Of course hypothetically if a vampire of stage 1-3 could join the Dawnguard im sure he/she couldn't get those vampire buffs (wings, etc) that you could get if you join the evil side.

Good question...um I guess you don't have to join either side. And if you want to join the Dawnguard I guess you could. I don't think bethesda would limit vampires from joining either faction.

If it's anything like the Civil War questline, the only neutral option will be to ignore the questline. I wish there were several options, such as Vampire, Dawnguard, Vampires who sides with the Dawnguard anyway, person (possibly a vampire) who doesn't get involved, or person (possibly vampire) that fights against both of them.

Evil? There is no "evil" nonsense. Just a bunch of creatures trying to survive.

You should submit to your own indulgences. Join the vampires. Join the brothers in darkness and you no longer have to be alone anymore and together we will rule all of Tamriel in darkness.

Evil exists. You know its a common thing for villians in fiction and in real life to believe the whole "evil is just a point of view" (Palpatine in star wars said that), some actually think they are doing good. But actions speak louder then words. The whole plans that the Vampires are having in Dawnguard reek of evil.

And how will the vampires survive if they end the tyranny of the sun? Though the vampires are hurt by the sun, they still need it, because there food needs it, and therefore so do they. So how is helping out the vampires in Dawnguard actually going to help the race?

Oh yes. Taking away the sun, feeding of the souls of others. Not evil at all.

Just like it's common for "good guys" to say "evil" exists. But hey, in the Elder Scrolls, vampires can't be really classified as evil. Look at Janus Hassildor! I know Palpatine said that. But Darth Vader claimed the other side was evil. And apparently, the vampires see Dawnguard as the bad guys.

Oh yes. Is a wolf evil for killing its prey or trying to survive? Yeah, I suppose so.

You could just argue survival at that point though. But OP. The sun is your weakness so wouldnt it be the smart idea to side with faction that wants to create darkness therefore making you more powerful?

If everyone hates you as a stage 4 vampire, then I think the Dawnguard should go hostile at stage 1.

Wolves aren't trying to kill every other organism out there, are they now?

I am going to have to agree for once with Daniel, even being the Vampire Hunter i am. Your a loner Vampire, because your a cyrodillic Vampire. They are very secluded and seem to stay to themselves. When you join this new cult, you become a completly new breed of Vampire. Ones that dont care about who sees them, because they have powers beyond any others, and an army to back them. I have a feeling these may be Skyrims legendary Volkahir or whatever, vampires... tired of hiding from the sun, ready to strike back, and rule as a unstopable force... draining each victim dry.

If you believe in humanity, then i suggest defending it. Join the Dawnguard today!

(Someone needs to make an uncle sam propaganda poster, but for the Dawnguard... with Dovahkiin point and saying. "I want you for a protector of Dawn"

Not really. Sunlight is the source of the vampires' food supply. If they take out the sun, humanity (and mer and beast races) all go extinct and so do the vampires. Although they do mention feasting on the souls of the dead, but even that has a capacity limit.

Again, what reason do they have to take away the sun? Even if it does make them more powerful, everyone else in the world will die. And sooner or later so will they, as they will have no food.

I don't think vampires should be classified as evil in the Elder Scrolls just for being vampires, for its there actions/choices they make that decide whether they are evil or not.

My vampire character isn't evil. HOWEVER the vampire faction in dawnguard does seem to be evil (watch the trailer, i really do get the evil vibe from them)....not because they are vampires....but because of there plans/decisions/actions they have been making.

Vampires were always intended to be played by those seeking an evil character. They were created by the Daedric Prince of Tyranny to torment the Divines for crying out loud.

Individual vampires may not be evil, but vampires in general are evil. For every Janus Hassildor, there's a dozen hungry, hateful bloodsvckers.

The existence of Evil ussually involves selfish acts to further ones powers or goals. The evil man would not give money to a poor begger on the street unless it was to further his own self. The evil man would not risk his life to save someone he just met. The evil man would dine on the innocent. The evil man would want complete power. The evil man would not want to live equally to another. The evil man cringes at the idea of someone being better then him. The evil man would use trickery and logic to hide what is true, and the evil man, is you.

Telling yourself evil is just a point of view, is the same as lying to yourself. When something can think before they act, yet they choose to do the easy thing to survive, it seperates us from beast. A wolf can not think before he acts. He hunts for his food, preying on whats easiest to kill and eat. A wolf does not go out of his way to find a Iron helemet to adorne his head. The wolf does not Fus Roh Dah you off a cliff. The wolf is simply hungry... He strives for no power, only food.

People are reading into the Sun thing a bit too much. Nothing says they're blotting out the sun world wide - which in itself would be an incredible feat I might add.. Likely what they're more realistically trying to accomplish is blotting out the sun over Skyrim in particular. This would give them a powerful foothold in Tamriel, while meanwhile keeping their food supplies aplenty elsewhere in the world.

Doesn't change the fact Skyrim itself would wither, die, and become corrupt grounds of death, decay, and evil. But nonetheless, I wouldn't read into it just yet as a world-wide act..

Is this how you justify your love of vamps to yourself? No reason why those filthy vampires can't use cattle or other livestock to sustain themselves like the rest of man does. No need to block out the sun and ruin the party for everybody is there?

The Dawnguard is coming for you!

That would be great. They have to have some sort of motivation to go up against the menace of the germa....i mean vampires.

*to the tune of OVER THERE, 2nd verse not included*


Johnnie, get your sword,
Get your sword, get your sword,
Take it on the run,
On the run, on the run.
Hear them calling, you and me,
Every son of the divines.
Hurry right away,
No delay, go today,
Make your daddy glad
To have had such a lad.
Tell your sweetheart not to pine,
To be proud her boy's in line.

Over there, over there,
Send the word, send the word over there -
That the Dawnguard are coming,
The Dawnguard are coming,
The shields bang-banging
Everywhere.
So prepare, say a prayer,
Send the word, send the word to beware.
We'll be over, we're coming over,
And we won't come back till it's over
Over there.

LOVE IT!!!

I love that SkyrimFan!

Now we need Stormcloak and Imperial Propeganda... (Vampires don't get propeganda... i mean who wants to join a group that has advertisments saying. "Join us, or will drink your blood... nah will just drink your blood anyways, so join us!")

Feeding on livestock isnt the same as human. Why have cereal when you can have a prime rib?

Hmm. So what should a vampire do, starve itself and svck up his condition?

Ah, now we talk about wolves. I am tempted to speak on werewolves and their survival. But since this is a topic about vampires, we should speak on them. Evil is simply a label used to title those in powerm or those who can threat, destroy or kill the ones who are generally weaker to defend themselves. It is a subjective thing.