Nope, I would never play such a simpleton's game, sorry. But in any case, if you had to make a distraction, why can't you make any distraction yourself, using your imagination & ingenuity?

Oh, yeah, right.


People like me dominating the boards? I cannot imagine how you picture the game development process, it must be a triumph of fantastical whimsy.

Ok, a carrot. What's the difference? My point is still made. The arrow is in a compass at the top of the screen. It's not affecting you at all with it's presence as is now and God forbid an arrow floats above a persons head

Quest = a journey towards a goal. Not necessarily involving combat.
L4D = first person shooter. Quite different from an RPG.

Is the world going backwards?

I don't hate them or love them. Plus can't you just turn them off or at least take them off of your map in this game? I am pretty sure this is the case so there is really no need to complain about it at least in Skyrim.

What part of "turning off the markers isn't an answer without in-game descriptions from the quest journal" do people not understand?

Aren`t you the guy who doesn`t want to waste mere `seconds` looking at a map to find some place?

Not really much point arguing with you then is there?

So I won`t.

I'm a game development major. I know more about it than you do. I also know that people like simple, easy to understand games. Why the hell do you think hatred has formed for Call of Duty and Halo? They got complicated, equipments, too many perks, attachments, etc.

There's nothing wrong with having a complex game, but there is a line that marks when a game goes from being fun to being a chore to play.

This is totaly wrong, having the compass and HUD affects how you play and perceive the world in huge ways..thankfully it can at least be toggled off.

Remember getting lost on the road to balmora? An NPC giving you bad directions so you get sidetracked? yeah. Those were the days.

Lol my point still stands. I love how you completely ignore my comparison and bring up the fact that they're different games. Why? Cause you can't say [censored] back

Quest markers are OK as a quick visual clue where you are standing in a quest, but they should only be on the map, not the compass and only mark an area or cave/city entrance rather than pointing to the specific location of people or items, especially when the quest is to search for them. But why design each quest in the same way? I think there should also be a number of quests with no markers at all, maybe not even have always a clear objective in your journal, only a summary of what you already discovered. Why? Because it adds a mysterious feeling to the quests when you do not know where everything is and wether you figured everything out. You have found something in the place you were told to go, but was it everything? Is a part of the puzzle still lying around somewhere? Will I find someone who knows what to do with it? This keeps the tension of the game high and encourages you to explore more. With the quest arrow there is no tension. You always know exactly what the next step is, when you covered everything and can move on and that gets boring after a while. A dozen quests of the kind I described would spice the game up dramatically tensionwise and those who don't like them could just switch to some other, more basic tasks until they get a clue how to continue.
Detailed quest markers could be implemented as a last resort option, because getting stuck too often can get annoying, but as the default mechanic they are boring.

Dear sweet bleeding Jesus on the cross.

Sir, your comparison has been ignored because it's just pure nonsense.

Note to self: stop arguing with kids

Especially kids who are "game development majors."

"game development major"

I think I got a phone solicitation for someone offering to send me to school for that recently, lol.

Call of Duty and Halo are complicated?

)(&# you have to be trolling.

Let the quest markers be there, for people like you but give us "hardcoe" rpg fans some damn directions. Also, the Morrowind journal (after the expansion packs), was perfect. That's the only word for it, perfect. It looked like a book, which added some immersion. It was written so that one could go back to page one and read his/her characters story. You got an index, where you could look up on different topics and view the relevant information in chronological order. Then Morrowind Journal Enhanced came, it let you WRITE in the journal. That made it even better for roleplaying. I remember spending hours, starting the journal from page 1 and read through it, following my characters story. I could spend hours doing that (the journal got close to 1000 pages).

That quest marker is making Skyrim into an adventure game, not an RPG.

And then they buy FPS games, or at least they should do. For your information, I've also been into game development. And about that "limit" you speak of, there is also a limit for simplification as well. A genre is a genre, you can't change that. What we, and the rest of the community are trying to get through with is that it has come to the point where you almost can't call it an RPG any longer. It's a mix between the Zelda series and Diablo 2. In other words, a mix of adventure, hack&slash, in a fantasy setting with a touch of RPG. And you calling yourself a game development major with that attitude? I'd say you're asking for verbal trouble.


@Woe is Adam - You're a troll, right? Did you know that they take people from the modding community here and employ them? And they do find lots of inspiration from the mods. Dragon mods was for Morrowind and Oblivion, in Skyrim they returned. Slaughterfish attacked you like no tomorrow, they rarely make an appearance now. Mounts was missing in Morrowind, they was modded in and they came in Oblivion. The very same people who's criticizing Bethesda, also makes mods to fix the games. Morrowind still plays today, and less buggy than when Bethesda's last patch was released. What happened? The Morrowind modding community made the engine itself more stable. The short view distance? We got mods which extended that like no tomorrow.

This is the best solution, everyone is happy, but I bet someone will say " BUT YOU SHOULDNT HAVE THE OPTION TO HAVE AN ARROW TELL YOU WHERE TO GO", in which case, shut up.

LOL. I agree.

I loved in Daggerfall, where a lot of the quests didn't even get recorded in your journal at all, and you had to keep little notepad by the computer. Really gave me a sense of accomplishment.

Disclaimer: I know it might sound like it, but that was not sarcasm, and I really did love that system.

I really don't understand people who say "the quest arrows destroy exploration in this game, I cannot explore anymore, I want a game where I can explore the world, but the quest arrow won't let me do it". To "discover all the things in the world" you just have to... I don't know, explore the map?

Heh, I always dreamed to be a game development major but mom forced me to study sound engineering, what a wasted opportunity

I feel this point is worth ridiculing a little more. I'd like to think of something witty & pithy, but really, what you wrote yourself is about as damning & revealing of your obvious cluelessness to gameplay as it is. Game Development major you say? And yet you wish for people to have no gameplay, only instructions? I shudder to think of your future efforts, I really do.

It was perfect indeed. It didn`t blow immersion in a wild world of exploration. I cry for the loss of this from Morrowind. There was nothing wrong with this system at all.

and, thats why you CAN turn on the markers, yo.

That's not what they are saying at all, actually. What they are saying is that they don't like not having any incentive to explore. Oh, a random cave surrounded by dead bodies with a sign that reads "STAY OUT. SRSLY GUYZ. DONN COM UN HAR."? LET'S SEE WHAT'S INSIDE. Not everybody roleplays some ultimate crusader of bravery and courage or some eager young soul with stars in their eyes eager to dig through every hole in Nirn Skyrim has to offer. Maybe your a cowardly thief. Why would you have any reason to explore unless somebody told you that there was some serious loot in one of these caves, these caves being a few caverns within a few hundred feet of one another, meaning you need to explore all of them until you find the proper one.