What happened to the Elder Scrolls community here?

Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:03 pm

What caused this? Was it the fact that Bethesda kept trying to attract a broader fanbase, which brought in the 'bad eggs' its fanbase from Morrowind and before never had, or is it just that game fans are spoiled and expect too much now?

I'd say the proportion of "good" to "bad" members has stayed roughly the same. I remember there being some downright... unpleasants when I first joined. That said, I think the way forum members (both the "good" and the "bad") are "handled" by the forum "hierarchy" may leave a little to be desired at times. We have a load of "bad" members getting headstrong and running wild, and a load of "good" members getting embittered. There's also a lot of ego-throwing going on, which doesn't help matters much. Of course, this is all broad generalisations, and the majority of people just trudge on day to day.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:51 am

What, did you expect this place to stay exactly the same forever? Things change and not always in a good way.

That said, I think that this place was a lot nicer when I joined (which wasn't that long ago) and I sometimes envy you people who joined in '02 or '03 because I'm sure that this place was already going downhill by '05 :P
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:38 pm

That said, I think that this place was a lot nicer when I joined (which wasn't that long ago) and I sometimes envy you people who joined in '02 or '03 because I'm sure that this place was already going downhill by '05 :P

Mmmno, it started going downhill around the second half of September '05 :P
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:00 pm

Eh, like others have said, it tends to get pretty bad for a while when a new game is released, however things start picking up after a while. Back when I first joined this forum was pretty great. I haven't been here in years, but I'm glad to see that some of the "old-timers" are still around. :happy:


Hi, guys! :wavey:
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:55 am

Ironically, the Skyrim forum was actually fun to go to once it was announced. It was, however, after E3 is when all the 'bad eggs' came :sadvaultboy:
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:49 am

As Bethesda becomes more mainstream, so too does the forum community.

Mainstream Internet Forums. You'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villany.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:21 am

which brought in the 'bad eggs' its fanbase from Morrowind and before never had

Oh come on you are a biased Morrowind player , there is bad eggs within morrowind players you just didn't see them because you did not pay attention to them. I have seen on this forum and other video game related forums of elitist morrowind fans that say something like this. "OBLIVION is casual trash, I am going say no other reason to support my opinion and call all oblivion lovers [censored] and do not know what a real RPG is, svck it casuals!" That is a critical view on those morrowind elitist, I have seen replies not as offensive on here but to a point of bashing people who like oblivion.

Heck there is players of the elder scrolls games who like everything before morrowind and call morrowind a game for kids. I have played Oblivioin , Morrowind , Skyrim and about two hours of daggerfall ( not my type of game) and I try not to pass judgments on the players because that is a bias. The thing is there was bad apples in your bunch , every generation has them. You kind of sound like a grandpa who complains about kids these days.

Please do not take offense.....

Gosh I wish the word "casual" did not come into my video game vocabulary......next thing I know I will be saying check them.
How depressing......
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:09 am

Please do not take offense.....

oh good thing you said that, otherwise your post might have been kinda offensive. :goodjob:
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:52 am

oh good thing you said that, otherwise your post might have been kinda offensive. :goodjob:

No offense but I intend to offend you. :toughninja:
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:48 am

oh good thing you said that, otherwise your post might have been kinda offensive. :goodjob:

:lmao:


I figure a lot of the pre-Oblivion folks here have seen this growth in population size a number of times. Things will be fine.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:49 pm

oh good thing you said that, otherwise your post might have been kinda offensive. :goodjob:

Well I did not mean to be so I was just showing an example of something a morrowind elitest might say , I kinda put it into a really extreme way of expressing it( a bit over board). But I put the statement in that way to show that some morrowind fans have a real problem with someone liking something they do not like.

There can be many example of many things like this just take out morrowind and oblivion and put in another game and a sequel of it. Or you could put in other forms of media and maybe actors. The example could be used universally if you switch out a few words.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:17 am

Frankly? I called all of this back in October before the game came out:

Personally - it's not like this is anything new. Pretty much any videogame that comes out, it's forum tends to go through several distinct stages.

Early on, there's a lot of speculation. The "What do you want" and "Wouldn't this be cool" threads tend to be dominate. Until new information comes out, that can only last so long before it starts to stagnate. (There's only so many new members coming into the conversation at this point, join rate is slower, and eventually everyone's already said the same things over and over.)

Between these stages, there also tends to be a lot of "how long until we see something new?" threads.

As new information does get released - of any sort - it's standard for the forum to break it down into bite-sized chunks and then pore over every minute detail with a fine-toothed comb. The more info-starved the forum is, the farther this can go (for example, I've seen threads based solely around a developer's specific wording about a feature, and even their very intonation. There's a lot of debate to be had from something as small as a five-word Tweet, I've learned.)

Part in parcel with this, this is where polarization begins to occur. For every member who thinks that one specific feature is going to make this game the most important advancement in the history of the human race and put the game beyond reproach, there's going to be another who feels that this is a sign of the downward spiral of the industry overall, a personal affront, and just generally the most awful thing ever. Those two members will have the capacity to carry the inevitable clash until long after the game actually comes out.

Closer to release, this pattern intensifies, and media hype kicks in and more new information gets released on a more rapid basis.

Where we are now, there's going to be a lot less speculation, and a lot more opinion. New members are coming in more rapidly, and there's always a kind of tension there. Members who have been following the game on the forum since it's announcement are tired of the threads that keep coming up (which, by the way, is natural and also perfectly okay,) and we see a lot of "ugh, this has been answered already," and "use the search feature" silliness.

Along with this - most things have already been discussed by this point. New info tends to cover and crystallize information already known. The forum is running out of topics to talk about, tensions are running high, and we start to see a lot of "Well, I want to start a thread but can't think of anything to talk about so I'll spam something," and "I'm so tired of seeing all these spam threads so I'll make a spam thread just to show everyone how silly it is," as well as my personal favorite - "I'm going to make an ironic spam thread just to make my point - again - about how 'stupid' I find those people who want this thing that I don't want in the game."

Then, the game comes out. Actually, a lot of activity dies down at this point. This is also where the issues sub-forums start to flood over. If every game forum I've ever followed, going back over a decade, is any indication - this will be the "worst and buggiest game ever made, why did they rush this piece of crap out, how come I have to pay for what is essentially a beta test, I'll never buy a game from this company again, I want a refund direct from you," and so on. (Worth noting that a lot of problems will actually be valid, and that this actually is a proper place for venting some frustration about it.)

In response to this, there will also be one or two members who will find every one of these threads and will post just to say that they've had no problems with the game and everyone else must be doing something wrong. Those members will be accused of being company plants, paid to lie about the game. Us Mods will also be accused of trying to hide just how many people are having problems.

Following that, the "reviews" start coming in. Everyone will have something to say (a lot of it negative - members having fun with the game are usually too busy to bother much with the forum.) Also, lots and lots of spoilers posted in general discussion. A lot of magazine will also have reviewed the game "wrongly," and given it an obviously incorrect score (one way or another.)

Eventually, things will settle down, however.

And then they'll announce Fallout 4 and the whole things starts again! :celebration:

Anyway - just saying, there's nothing happening in Skyrim General Discussion that hasn't gone down with every other forum on this site - as well as every single other game forum for every game ever made for as long as there's been a history of the forums. It's just something that happens. It's really quite predictable, and certainly nothing to get too worked-up about.

Any time a game comes out, you're going to see an influx of new forumites. It's only natural that a lot of them are going to have baggage from other forums, different expectations, etc. A lot are always going to need some time just to see how things work around here.

It'll all die down before long (we're already starting to see some improvement in the Issues forums.) And besides, new blood can be a good thing. :shrug:
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:54 am

Hi, guys! :wavey:


More familiar faces! (New avatar, though?)
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:26 am

More familiar faces! (New avatar, though?)

Gotta change with the times, my friend! :lol:
Great to see you're still here!
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:29 am

Why are we fighting amongst ourselves? :shakehead:

All this talk of elitist forums (although it is true for the Lore forum...) is pulling us apart, when we should be working together! How else will we stand united against the evil forces of the Skyrim forum. :(


Sons of Morrowind! Of Oblivion! My brothers. I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of the community fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. An hour of trolls and stupid threads when the Age of Todd comes crashing down, but it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good forum, I bid you stand, Men of Community Discussion!
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:35 pm

I think the fans brought in with Oblivion were 10 times worse. The moderators weren't trained for an influx that big so the response was slow at first. Leading to more forum wide anarchy.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:44 am

Why are we fighting amongst ourselves? :shakehead:

All this talk of elitist forums (although it is true for the Lore forum...) is pulling us apart, when we should be working together! How else will we stand united against the evil forces of the Skyrim forum. :(


Sons of Morrowind! Of Oblivion! My brothers. I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of the community fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. An hour of trolls and stupid threads when the Age of Todd comes crashing down, but it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good forum, I bid you stand, Men of Community Discussion!
:intergalactic:

:toughninja: I stand by you brother!!!
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:17 pm


Sons of Morrowind! Of Oblivion! My brothers. I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of the community fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. An hour of trolls and stupid threads when the Age of Todd comes crashing down, but it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good forum, I bid you stand, Men of Community Discussion!
:intergalactic:


Aww, man. I love good twists like that. :sweat:
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:55 am

Kill 'em with kindness. We shouldn't be complaining about the n00bz, we should be showing them why so many call this place the port in the storm that is the internet. Lets show them why we call BSGF home.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:29 pm

I was a frequent here around 2003, when I was playing Morrowind. I'd come here and look for cool hints or helpers and everything about this community was great. None of the posters had egos and just about everyone was helpful and cheerful. I joined in 2005 and made sure to keep up the positive attitude and ensure this forum remained free from the whole "internet is full of trolls" stereotype that most forums fulfill.

Then Oblivion came out, and we got hundreds of new members who loved it. Most of us who thought Morrowind was better seemed to feel left behind a bit, but we (for the most part) didn't cause too many problems. There were a lot of Morrowind vs. Oblivion debates, but all in all we were still arguing which was better between two very good games. And for the most part, the nostalgia won. If you played Morrowind first, you liked it over Oblivion. If you played Oblivion first, you liked it over Morrowind.

The lead up to Skyrim was long and filled with intrigue, and this community was still proving to be arguably the best in the gaming industry. After release, however, it seems like it's become even worse than atrocious ones such as Call of Duty or Halo, or even FABLE.

It's non-stop hating, complaining, trolling, bashing of people on the forums and Bethesda, and a complete 180% turn from the way it was before. Very few posters have anything positive to say and even less contribute and help solve issues and problems other people are having.

What caused this? Was it the fact that Bethesda kept trying to attract a broader fanbase, which brought in the 'bad eggs' its fanbase from Morrowind and before never had, or is it just that game fans are spoiled and expect too much now?


I know exactly what you mean man. I don't even dare click into the Skyrim forums anymore. I just stick to our little TES Fanfiction Forum. It's like a completely different universe :P
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:06 pm

Lets show them why we call BSGF home.

Because it's the retirement village of the internet.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:37 am

Because it's the retirement village of the internet.

I was gonna say asylum where they actually keep up on the dosages but yours works too.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:05 am

Ironically, the Skyrim forum was actually fun to go to once it was announced. It was, however, after E3 is when all the 'bad eggs' came :sadvaultboy:


I used to like the Skyrim forum, but then I took an arrow to the knee.

Ummmm..... is that getting old yet :unsure:
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:54 pm

Timeline* of forum attitude around release. In rhyme

One, two, whoop-dee-doo! Three, Four, worse than before. Five, Six, this forum's sick. Seven, eight, can we relate? Nine, ten, better again.

*May not contain all of timeline.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:46 am

Mmmno, it started going downhill around the second half of September '05 :P

Yeah, I noticed that too, even though I didn't join for another year. I remember thinking to myself, "I wish I'd joined prior to late September last year, because things seemed to really go downhill then." Honest.
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