What? So, because you disagree, you feel the need to jump on something petty? Please...


Not only as that anology flawed, it makes no sense.

Ah well, I should've figured this thread would be met with this sort of response, I'll abandon it and await it's lock. But when the new DLC is Hammerfell, I will be mentioning this


Whatever makes you feel good about yourself, proclaiming something to be fact doesn't make it so until proven otherwise. You can't prove otherwise the DLC isn't Hammerfell until it is released, period.

It's easy to say it's the largest if almost anything is randomly generated. I'm sure they put a lot more work (and it shows) in designing Skyrim than Daggerfall, so per my definition I judge Skyrim to be the largest TES ever in terms of quality, hours of work put in, ect....

You do know that story is probably made-up, right?

Doubler, maybe saying in it's current iteration Skyrim is the largest is the wrong thing to say. After the first DLC, it will be the largest, because Bethesda stated they want Skyrim to be the largest of the TES games to date.

So, we can say Skyrim will be the largest TES game to date when the dlc/expansions hit. I will concede that saying what I said in my first post was a bit much, as long as you concede that Skyrim will be the largest after the dlc/expansion . Deal?

First of all, it's not jumping on something petty. If you can't express yourself clearly, then how can you expect other people to respond to your points?

Second, you're completely ignoring what everyone's telling you. The in-game map is a rectangle. The edges of the rectangle go to the farthest borders of Skyrim, which means that the SW corner gets a little more space, because the land-mass makes a big diagonal line from Markarth to Falkreath.

And I'd say you've simply created a definition of the term just to be able to claim victory for Skyrim, which more than shows the pointlessness of this discussion.

For the record, according to the wiki Daggerfall was over 160.000 Km2. Skyrim is 50. If we're talking purely size as 'large' as most people will, I don't think there's any chance any TES game will ever get close to Daggerfall again. Certainly not Skyrim, DLC or no.

Leave him be. I think he is happy where he is and what he knows now.

No, I do not lnow that for a fact, please provide 100% evidential proof of otherwise... thought so.


I am not ignoring it, I presented my evidence, albeit what it is, you then make a half arsed comment and jump on my grammar? AND BESIDES... what everyone is telling me? Oh I'm sorry, this is a discussion board, no-one tells each other anything, it's called debate. Surely one such as yourself realise that being the literary genius that you are?


Don't try and be a sarcastic [censored], there is no need to be like that, you know what I'm talking about too...

I really don't understand what the debate is. In a debate, there have to be at least two possible stances to take on an argument. You're arguing that the SW corner extending as far as it does clearly indicates that Hammerfell is the next expansion. You have been told that this is a function of how the map is drawn, not an indication of where future landmasses will be developed. That's not an opinion; it's a fact. Period. There is no debate.

Yes, I fear I do.

_{Feet can appear very huge if you look at them long enough.}

Just wow...

I really had no idea it was 160,000 km2. I had only played a small portion of that game (not basing the size of the game on the amount I played) but never realized it was that big. I thought Skyrim was 75, not 50?

Yes, that's what I would say when I have nothing else left, too.

Seriously, what's your point? The map extends farther there? It clearly doesn't extend beyond the Southern or Western borders of Skyrim. Because it's a flippin' rectangle.

I don't know. Oblivion was 40-something, and iirc Skyrim was around the same size so I decided to be generous and call it 50.

But either way, pure size isn't an indication of quality, so don't take this as 'Daggerfall rulez and you should totally prefer it over Skyrim'. I just hate to see the old games not get their due credit due to marketing speak.

My point is plain as I said in my OP. The map does extend further to the SW, there is a sign, stating Hammerfell and a bridge/path up through the mountains. I believe it points to a high possibilty of the DLC being Hammerfell. Quoting Todd Howard regarding his explanation of LOD is not a winning argument to say one way or the other that this is the case on either point.

This is a discussion, your obtuseness is what I was in awe of, not your comeback.

Your "possibility of a Hammerfell DLC" comes from an anonymous source that mentions just about everything people want to hear. That makes it less than credible. As for the bridge and sign? Continuity. It was a little odd in Oblivion how it was completely cut off from the surrounding provinces.

Ok, let me try this in very simple terms. The map is contained by a rectangle (big box). Do you notice how the "large land mass" you're looking at doesn't go any farther than the Southern and Western borders of Skyrim? Do you notice how that makes the map a rectangle? Do you understand what I'm getting at here?

And, as you have been told by everyone, there are also borders and roads to Morrowind and Cyrodiil. And as everyone has pointed out, this was to correct the problem in Oblivion of the province feeling cut off from the rest of Tamriel.

It is a fair point. I have seen the path with the archway you speak of with my character. While the chances of DLC Hammerfell are low ... you can't entirely rule it out either (there is a pathway that currently goes ... where?). As an argument against, however, Beth has hinted at a number of possibilities of DLC, but Hammerfell has not (yet) been one of them. Also see the previous two posts.

However, I thought the world of Tamriel was round ... not a rectangle with a diagonal line (just poking fun with this statement).

Wrong, I have always thought this, I just felt I would bring it up in a different way as the other thread was closed. It has nothing to do with the "supposed" leak.


For the last time, this is a discussion, people are free to place their arguments, but in no way are they telling anyone anyhting! Don't get me wrong, it's not that you're trying to disprove my theory, it's the way you're being such a [censored] about it. This discussion will continue until a moderator says otherwise, so stop forcing your opinion down my throat.

Ok, maybe I'm just too dense to see the discussion here. Could you please tell me what the counterpoint is to the argument (fact) that the map is drawn within a rectangular border?

So then it's a random hope with no basis at all?

A discussion is fine, I just do not really see what there is to discuss. The previous thread about the supposedly leaked DLC was closed and for good reason.

Now you are staring at an empty corner on the map.

There is nothing to discuss here.

Yeah dagger fall...2d images...5mb of space...almost nothing to look at... yeah...i give props the the book with the most words.. the dictionary...

That word has always stuck in my craw.

I enjoy engaging in self-righteous tirades concerning the word 'relentless', myself. To be without 'relent' is nonsensical, as relent is a verb, rather than a noun or an adjective; the situation with 'ruthless' is different, as there was a time in the distant past when 'ruth' did function as an adjective. Thus, while the case for the latter is viable, that of the former is not.

Because I am affably anol about the whole thing, I always mentally change 'relentless' to 'unrelenting' when reading.

...and while we're about this business-I do not like the use of the word 'lighted' as a verb! The English speaking world should agree to use the word 'lit' instead, as that would, clearly, not sound awkward and dumb. It is difficult to enjoy spending time in my ivory tower if I must constantly remain vigilant concerning such matters.


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I'm not repeating myself, read the OP you horribly obtuse man. I have stated my reasons, you have stated yours.


No, it's base is as I described, why can't any of you actually go and see for yourself, the map seems extended to me, as I have stated. This is my counter-argument.


Again, take your arrogance elsewhere, this is for discussion, not for closed statements.