By Kyne, can't we just post this:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/115836-Todd-Howard-Explains-Morrowind-in-Skyrim

...and get on with our lives?

What does that prove? No one has managed to disprove my theory of the map being larger in the SW region, it simply is.

In true grammar-fascist fashion:

"Relentless" and "lighted" are words. They have dictionary definitions that do not read "Incorrect use of [insert correct word here]."

But an admirable attempt, good sir.

I have seen. However, you are blatantly ignoring official statements by people in the know because they do not support your desire for a Hammerfell DLC.

Discussions are often comprised of a series of closed statements. Otherwise they'd just be an endless litany of speculations.

And you haven't provided any reasoning as to why this corner of the map is special and doesn't simply exist because the programmers designed the map to be bounded within a large rectangle. You just keep saying that you have. In fact, you haven't even addressed why this road leading to Hammerfell is more important than the roads leading to Cyrodiil and Morrowind. You just keep pointing back to the OP as if you have.

If you want to have a discussion, great. But part of discussing/debating things is actually providing counterpoints to things that other people bring up. So again, your counterpoint to the rectangular map border would be much appreciated...

Alright, let's anolyse this so-called leak:

http://gamersanonymous.ca/skyrim-dlc-expansion-leaked/

Starting off with the words "three massive expansions" along with minor add-ons, okay, it's feasible (although I personally think they would do more bigger ones and almost no smaller ones, as promised.

Going to Hammerfel seems feasible, if it weren't for the fact that Bethesda has never let you visit another province as they reserve them for future games. So going to Hammerfel? Unlikely.

Next up is the so-called "dragon taming", which would allow you to ride a dragon. I'm aware that there's a scene where you ride a dragon to Sovengarde, but that's 100 meters up in the sky, you can't control anything and it's really just a dummy on the dragon, proven by your crosshair staying still in place and not disappearing. Secondly, just even think about the limitations this poses. Have you considered how they would possibly even land a Dragon? The world geometry is far too complex too do that. Trees, rocks, houses, villages, virtually everything will be in the way. If it would be done, it would be done extremely buggy. Thirdly, using weapons and magic while riding one? The controls won't even allow it.

Then they mention "other" mounts like sabre cats, mammoths, bears and wolves. Okay, imagine riding a wolf or a bear, looks ridiculous? You get my point, from this point onward the text is just obviously fake.

Everything up to this point seems to let the players get what they want: Ridable mounts. But I think even bethesda knows this is pretty unfeasible, let alone mounting a dragon.

Then horse armor get mentioned. Alright, horse armor. The thing that sparked so much controversy in Oblivion, they're gonna let you purchase it again. Yeah, sure.

Then a part about a questline "somewhere in morrowind". Okay, somewhere in Morrowind means they will either recreate an entire province again. Could be, but then the shapeshifting part renders it goofy again.

Last part about the thalmor: They again do what the players wanted: Getting rid of the Thalmor. It's pretty obvious that not someone from bethesda wrote this but just a casual forum-goer, judging by the poor quality of the text.

Thought so.

This has nothing to do with the leak, only that I felt this thread was a more constructive way of dicsussing DLC without it getting locked by a mod instantaneously. I have always believed Hammerfell lay to the SW and that the land space there is reserved.


I am not ignoring them, when did I say that?


I have though, the land mass there is easire to navigate to, nowhere else on the map can you do this, the reason it is stated in my OP and then repeated is because it is my side of the argumetn you are so happy to ignore. I am still to be presented with evidence to show me that that part of the map, isnt inlcuded moreso than any other dead-spac loacted around the resst of the map.

Made by a (by today's standards) tiny team, with much more severe technological restrictions, with (compared to today) a minimal budget in a smaller window of time and requiring an engine that had to be coded from scratch (one of the earliest real 3D engines in fact).
Wow, when did people become so dismissive of past achievements?

Please look at this image. It's not the actual in-game map, but it shows the cells that the map is drawn from. You'll see that the map extends beyond the boundaries of Skyrim in a number of places.

http://www.gamebanshee.com/showshot.php?/skyrim/mapofskyrim/skyrimmap.png

Can we please let this die now?

You just asked me to post 100% proof that the leak is fake. I just did. I have no idea why you are in such a denial. Is it such a problem for you to just accept the facts? I'm sure Bethesda has a great DLC in store for you guys, but it's not that story, and it's not Cyrodill and Morrowind recreated.

I know about this, yet the SW part of the map is viewable form the above, unlike the regions you point out.


No I didn't? I never asked you to disprove the leak? I asked what others thought with that particular aspect of the map, but everyone else just seemed happier to jump on it in the usual fashion and stamp it out as if it was on fire.

You either forgetful or just can't argument at all.

Of course you've never said you were ignoring them. However, when people point to them to say what it is, you plug your ears and insist that it's not evidence that it's not for a Hammerfell DLC. So while you haven't verbalized that you're ignoring them, you're actions say you are.

No. No, it isn't. The map I linked to provides a pretty accurate representation of the viewable terrain on the in-game map. There's actually more extra space given for Morrowind.

This is not from memory. This is from me just opening up the game and checking. The SW corner is not unique in any way in terms of viewable landmass that isn't part of Skyrim.

So what IS this unused land for then?


It is for nothing.

Wrong.

At least explain why, dummy.

Skyrim is larger than Oblivion is larger than Morrowind. All of them are technically smaller than Daggerfall, but none of them use randomly-generated terrain.

Not to mention that while Oblivion had some generated parts as well, with Skyrim you could notice that they really spent time on the geometry. You can't lay vast amounts of mountains and then just hope you'll be able to build your cities around.

While I appreciate your undertaking, I am disappointed with this response: As my wife and I were discussing, language is not a science, especially a language as full of vagaries as is that of the English. One would expect that, once a certain proficiency its reached, the principles and methods of an art, and to a lesser degree, a craft, would obtain. Thus, irregardless of dictionary strictures, aesthetic judgments may legitimately be brought into play.

Also; I noticed your use of the word 'theory' when committing that which would more properly be termed an 'assertion'. There are no testable hypotheses being proposed.

Do not mix words, I never asked you to disprove the leak!


My actions? I am not ignoring them, I am merely provding a counter-argument which I believe holds weight. No one has managed to convnice me otherwise that the SW piece of land isn't more accessible, but I am in no means not blind to the possibilty of being wrong.


Troll elsewhere.

Closed for review.

OK. When someone starts a discussion topic such as this they are expected to maintain civility and keep the discussion constructive. The OP has clearly failed, therefore this is staying closed.