Pure chaotic evil is boring.

No one really acts like that except perhaps some serial killers, and even most serial killers aren't pure CE.

Remember, except for a few very rare self-aware sociopaths no one thinks they are evil. Hitler didn't think he was evil he thought everything he did was justified. Stalin didn't think of it as killing millions, he thought of it as the side effects of changing to communist agriculture. The people above justify it as necessary or fighting a greater evil, the people below justify it as following orders.


That said, I just don't get a sense of how. How this could be the same man that slaughtered prisoners, crucified NCR soldiers, ordered women [censored] and ordered children shot down? I mean getting set on fire would change your outlook on life but seriously, there's no credible reason for how he could have justified his actions and then done a 180* turnaround.

Currently we have 3 games rated T on the forum. Morrowind and Brink and The Hunted. We don't know what future games will be rated that have official forums here in the future, but the three already here are three good reasons for this forums ratings.

How Does Morrowind is rated T?

http://www.esrb.org/ratings/search.jsp?searchType=title&titleOrPublisher=Elder%20Scrolls%20III%20Morrowind

Not gonna lie, Van Buren Graham sounds like a totally awesome companion.

-Does not give a flying funk about weapons, his bare hands is all he needs.
-Literally no one like him and wants to kill you just on mere sight if you have him in your party
-You have bare minimum control over him.
-He's toughest man in the Fallout Universe (Still is in NV though)

Not that I really have anything against this Joshua Graham, I just think the Van Buren version sounded more interesting and had MUCH more potential.

If I remember right The Hanged Man was to wipe out New Canaan with his fists.

It's not as simple as being "set on fire". After suffering a terrible failure, he was humiliated by his superior and the people he commanded. He was cast out and left for dead. His entire reason for living was gone. When your entire way of life is completely destroyed, it has a profound impact on how you view yourself and your place in the world. Because all momentum is lost, the experience causes you to evaluate and re-evaluate how you have reached this point -- and how to move forward.

There are thousands, if not millions, of examples of soldiers in history who engaged in ruthless -- often cruel -- behavior in times of war only to either return to an "ordinary" civilized life later. Some of them have no problem with what they did, others repress their memories as much as they can, and still others suffer strong crises of conscience that force profound changes in them. As Graham describes, his path to becoming the Malpais Legate was made up of many small compromises that turned increasingly sinister and brutal. At first he thought he was making the best of a bad situation and doing what needed to be done, but in the end he and Caesar had built a society on a foundation of fear and brutality. Caesar had a more grand vision for where the Legion was going, but Joshua Graham was caught up in the day to day maintenance of a tribal army engaged in bleak and often monstrous behavior. It was not until he was removed from that environment that he was able to reflect on his past. He could have chosen to blame Caesar, but in the end he blamed himself. The only people he knew in the world who could possibly accept him were the New Canaanites, so that's where he headed.

Captain Kangaroo syndrome coupled with a well known Bible story

He still should have killed more White Legs and said a few oneliners.

I wonder if we will hear more about the 80s. I'm guessing the name is taken from the I-80 they pester around. Hopefully in the future to see more joinable raider gangs.

i guess i can go along with that.

Either that, or they wear heavy leather jackets, wear bright colored hair styles, listen to heavily synthesized music, and talk about how cool Don Johnsons pastel suits are :laugh:

:D, I would so join for the sweet leather jackets.

The bright hair.....nah.

We'll be competing with The Kings for the title of 'Kings of Cool' :laugh:

If you were burned alive and thrown into the grand canyon . You would be emo too

Because real MANLY MEN show no emotion, kill all who come before them, and don't give two [censored] about anyone. Go back to playing Halo, it has the one-dimensional characters you're pining for.

Graham was awesome. My non-religious Courier (well, technology and civilization aren't technically religions) exterminated the White Legs for threatening the peaceful Sorrows alongside the former Legate, but tried to talk him out of executing Salt-Upon-Wounds. He failed, sadly, but it was still interesting.

This.

My ass the Arbiter and Mc are not one dimentional

This. He is a New Canaanite after all. Pretty sure if you cheated death, you'd have your eyes opened and rethink your life too. :shrug:

Nope, they're 8-bit.

This

Josh isn't half as emo as Craig Boone. Boone killed his own wife and some old ladies and kids at bittersprings and plays gothy sulky "i don't wanna talk about it", Josh got thrown off a cliff while on fire even though his failure was his bosses fault.

He's not emo. He's biblicaly Wrathful towards Caesar. Wrath i say! Wrath em upside the head! Oh wait i did it for him before going to Zion

You must not read/watch/play a lot of fiction, if you think all evil characters can only be done one dimensionaly.

And seriously? Insults? Grow the [censored] up.

I don't think it was so much evil characters Coake was commenting on as what the OP seemed to be expecting Josh to be. Apparently somebody who survives being burnt alive while simultaneously falling into the Grand Canyon then proceeds to bring his own brand of justice to Zion on a quest for redemption isn't "cool" or "kick-butt" enough.

The 80s will head bang their way to victory with their signature head but unarmed skills.

:mohawk:

Also I'm guessing all the raiders took after their hairstyles, all them other raiders are just posers.