Yes because their marketing get the better of them and they either release the game unfinished because of their publishers or they set their sights to high in the first place. This is true of Skyrim.

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Freeware or not.. Complainers can stop posting cause obviously the game has been released and its too late to change that.. And the Complainers can make their own game, release it and see if they manage better..

If the game svcks; Uninstall, leave forum, forget about it and move on.. What on earth will possibly change by created 10-15 threads a day on whats wrong about a game? Dont like it, leave...

This ^^^^^

Add to that, official forums are never the best place to get balanced views on specific games as the vast majority of people that frequent official forums either love it or loathe it. I always think you're better visiting independent forums, that cater for all games, if you want a semi balanced discussion on any game as the most rabid of posters tend to stick to official forums.

say what you want about the nay sayers, the "Beth can do no wrong" brigade are every bit as bad, if not worse. Left up to them, games wouldn't evolve as the end product is perfect, doesn't need improvements etc, that tells the devs nothing other than no need to change when it's fairly obvious to anyone with half a brain that that isn't the case.

Yeah, if you want a true picture of how people perceive the game, use a different forum where nerd rage is kept to a minimum.

This shortsighted attitude is what got us where we are right now in the first place. If people actually voiced their complaints without having to fear being loathed by people like you, developers who actually listen to their community could have picked up on it and actually aimed their next project more in the direction their trusting playerbase actually wants it to go.

Sure, complaining to bethesda about skyrim will probably not change a lot about skyrim anymore, but if there's enough complaint, it could lead them to change their minds about what they have in mind for their next TES project.

I like to see it more as a test system to point things in this direction because I think its headed the right way. I do enjoy the game. I feel its incompleteness doesn't necessarily require an expansion but a whole new evolution of the series into a more immerse world with more energy and time put in this direction. Sure put out the expansions but get working on the next one.

But posters such as Kupala don't deserve the time of day, so why give it to them? Why would anyone be in fear of losers like him? Some loner that obviously has too much time on his hands and is probably one of those people that sits in a corner not saying anything when in the company of others. What's so intimidating about people like him?

I also don't understand why people feel the need to say "The game is great..." before posting any sort of criticism. Who are they pandering to, pandering to some loser that likes nothing more than to think they actually mean something to those they are about to flame?

Because people with legitimate complains are usually drowned out by people like him.

Just igonore those people.They are asking for things that's impossible to create,for stupid ideas.if they wanted the game better they shoul've asked to Todd increase the game production to 15 years.
I just don't understand,everybody was waiting Skyrim(all the fans) talking that was going to be GOTY/Game of the Decade.And then they just change their minds....it's simple why don't they stop playing "that crap they call"?They just want to troll us.
Edit:And make we lost our time argumenting agaisn't them.

People should simply ignore people like him and that way they soon disappear. Not my problem that people like Kupala have delusions of grandeur. It's them that come across as the loser, not the people posting the complaint, if it's valid.

your so short sighted because you fail to see that the loner that sits in the corner strategizing his next move is just what people need to get the job done and while everyone is arguing and stressing over the outcome he already sees the solution.

Thanks for the headache, that was barely readable.

Anyway, you wouldn't believe how wrong you are.
Most of the people with actual complaints are people who have been fans of the elder scrolls series since morrowind or even further back, who fear their beloved franchise is taking the exact opposite direction of what they loved so much about the earlier titels.

Criticizing parts of a game does not mean we hate the game, if we did, we wouldn't bother pointing out the problems.
The most important part about advancing a product is constructive criticism by people who have absolutely no obligation to sugarcoat their opinion, it's people like you who continuously slow down the process of streamlining a game for the appropriate audience, so we get games that go in a lot of different directions and end up in mediocrity because developers don't know what the hell we want.

It's not too late to fix of some of the annoying crap with patches.

No, the game doesn't (completely) svck, but yes, I uninstalled it.
I'm still going to stick around, waiting for the CK to be released.

I'm sorry, but it doesn't work like "Insert 50€ plox and then GTFO".
I paid the full price for this game. I have legitimate complaints.
I will voice them, wether you like it or not.

And maybe it will change something for future TES.
Although I'll be waiting for them to be purchasable at a discounted price, after the last two have been such huge letdowns...

Welcome to humanity....

"If you disagree with me you are trying to silence me, you don't want me to have free speech." How often do we see this in political discussions online...

No-one much is trying to silence anyone. It's just that if you have a positive experience with the game it's difficult to understand where negative people are coming from, and vice versa.

The devs will take account of everything and make the game that satisfies them artistically while selling enough units to cover their multi-million dollar development costs.

I take it you have have done a lot of research to backup your statement? You have a source?

The thousands of players who have major and minor bugs are posting in the Software/Hardware section which is broken down by platform. It seems the numbers are pretty even across all the platforms.

Just because it works fine for you doesn't mean it works fine for everyone.

sadly wherever you go in life you find the same people. I find with age I'm reliving Sartre's "no exit" different people same personalities. Same conflicts. Same agenda. No monetary. Except I find interest in things unknown until they are known. Answer me this. Why is it that you spend years in college memorizing crap and going over things that you can easily access over a few nights of research and a cold shower. I can see a purpose for learning, but I never saw a purpose for spending years going over the same material at so broad a range just so you can land a job completely unrelated and forget everything you learned for the last one. I see into concepts that most people don't get because they don't see past the horizon. Sure we can all spend years attaining mediocrity when stupid people can just get it. Some people are so dumb with money that they have 10,000 in their pocket so they go out and buy and 8,000 dollar piece of bling.

Your nihilistic idealist ramblings are getting more and more cryptic with every post, mother of god.

i remeber that todd told us that the console is not that different from the pc ...he was telling us the truth.It only is better if you are on a super uber pc. and lots of us don't have one

Nowhere did he mention the game's looks, it's more about the way the entire game is designed, which isn't affected by how powerful your computer is.

An UI that works beautifully on consoles might feel extremely counter intuitive on a mouse and keyboard.

This is the world we live in and how it works, you follow it or try and change it, though what this has to do with Skyrim I don't know.

I'm really not a pessimist. I'm very optimistic about things of interest. But I'm not a believer. I've lost faith through the years in common sense and goodwill because it exists as a pole on one end unattainable by man but held as glory we can all wish for. What does exist is greed and self serving. The quicker you learn that in life the longer you will survive. Btw family is important yet one day I feel I may be isolated from that in the not to distant future. NOt saying im a black sheep or anything. I've only got just a handful.

I don't play bethseda games since morrowind.But yes, Fallout 3(i know that Obsidian made fallout series,anyway).I see your point.But let's compare TES:skyrim to gears of War.Bethseda probaly made the game like it is now just because of the "new players".If you play gears of war since the first game,you know what i'm talking about(Sos noobtubers, Retro lancer and blah blah blah) I hope you understand the concept of money.My first TES:game was obvilion,so i can't argument much.Anyway,i don't think that is possible to "fix Skyrim game on the fans poin of view".What Bethseda can do in my opinion is make a DLC based on the fans belifs.Or at least hear the fans while producing the new TES game on the next 5/4 years.

Consoles are just direct to metal and that brings advantages in the fact that you can program a game exactly for it. Spec for spec a console will always beat a PC for that reason but because PC hardware is so far ahead of consoles now, you only need a midrange PC to play games in much better fidelity than consoles.

Consoles don't have much overhead on OS and drivers as well, hence one reason why the hardware can work better with what it has.

Sure, Give me $50 million and I'll get right on it, I could really do with a $650million return, tell you what I'll even use $30 million of that to release a second game.

I'm a paying consumer, maybe you didn't pay for it so you feel no need to have you money's worth, but just like if I had a faulty toaster I'd complain to the production of it.

I love how many "excuses" and reasons anyone who has the audacity to complain are given, even when they are perfectly valid complaints to do with the most unintelligent game design choice or a feature put in worse then one a decade ago, regardless how how shockingly bad things are for immerision in a game which is essentially all it's meant to be anyway, why it's so different from other RPG's other there. People widely accept that it's just bad form for members of factions to no longer address you as new (or anyone else) something what did change in the previous game, you still got those that try to deny it or claim it's just simply too complex to have a feature that chooses between 2 things (new or Master) even those that will agree with it and still try to invalidate the complaint of the person.

Sure Skyrim isn't going to change to match these complaints now, theyd have to start again. But we can at least hope for they here it and don't repeat the same mistakes and not remove whats in it that is good. At best we may see some of it in DLC form, but the main game would wouldn't be changed to much though, they'd never add dialogue or quests in gaps now, two reasons, it would be an admission of guilt and it'd upset those who are past those points and don't want to restart thier 100 hour character.

But the reason people complain is simple, it's a bad game, one with a much lower standard outside music and graphics then previous games they have released, the standard they came to expect wasn't met and they don't outright hate the developer yet (in most cases) but want to see the next release be of a better quality, even if it means sacrificing some hollow content.

"Don't like it, leave" attitude is whats wrong with the world today (shock horror the source isn't a console). along side "I'll worship you no matter what you do let me give you more money". Maybe not where a stand needs to be made, but I've already abandoned all hope for other game developers I just don't feel are worth the time anymore "my hating" here maybe is a sign they done something right, although it's more likely past tense, it is not indictive of them making the perfect game or a great one, why would rapper slang be word's of truth... Theres a much older and more truthful saying that that you were looking for.

PS. PC games are cheaper then xbox ones in the UK so maybe quit whining about how you paid more and got less, when you actually paid less and got more.