why do people hate the Blades? : V - Skyrim

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:17 pm

Why would anyone like them? I don't see the point in their existence.
I went ahead and killed Parthy just for the sake of quest progression, and I was headed for disappointment.

Yay! So now I get to recruit three whole people into this 3 person faction! If they die, no more recruiting!
Yay! I get to have stupid bugs and journal entries like 'show Esbern some dragon bones' or whatever.
The Blades are basically finished right after you join them. How is that any good?!?
And their base is deep in Forsworn territory. How's that make any sense?

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:27 am

I think one thing that bugs me about them is that they're so obsessed with killing dragons. They don't even seem to care about the Thalmor or the state of the Empire anymore, they're more concerned with killing one peaceful, world-saving dragon who did some bad things long, long ago back when it was unthinkable for a dragon to do anything else.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:25 pm

eh i used to bash the baldes and constantly gripe about why aint thye wiping my ass and such....until i did soem background and paid attention in the dialogue and to the books. First off the oath they swore was to tiber septim's bloodline beig as they were all dragonborns...well that ended at the end of oblivion, pretty much that oath to serve and protect was pretty much faile don thier end kinda sorta..i guess thye made up at the end but anyways, if u pay attention to delphies dialogue shes says that the blades for 200 years had no direction no purpose, and then the dragons coem along AND the dragonborn shows up and they have found their NEW purpose. They want to serve and protect the dragonborn that is "killing" or "dominating" the dragons like tiber septim of old did. Dragons have a need to dominate and even Paar slips at the end when everythigns said and doen and talks about going out and ruling "dominating" the other dragons with the way of the voice. Odahviing sees u as the "alduin" the superior the new master to him so hes at ur bech and call, while Tiber Septim in the past allowed certain dragons to live BECAUSE they swore into his service under Tiber septim dominace, and seeing how odahviing has pretty much the same its kosher atm with the blades. Paar on the other hand is an unknown variable and plus if hes dead hes a symbol to the living blades that can be used against the other dragons. Paar is under no ones dominance excepts his own and after Alduin is done with, Paar wants to dominate the other dragosn with the way of the voice "sounds likes he starting to slipand backslide" and plus once Alduin is takign care of, Paar is the most powerful dragon alive then.
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Note that Delphene's reasoning for you killing Paar- It's that he's A: no longer useful to you, and B: committed atrocoties during the mythic age when Alduin was still in command. NOT because he's an unknown variable, and overlooking the fact that Paar and the other dragons didn't really have a choice until he decided to help teach humanity the Thu'um. And sat quietly for over 5,000 years looking out for Alduin's return. And (presumably) taught Tiber Septium. Nope, it's the fact that everything he did for however long Alduin was tyrannical is far, far, more important than what he's done since then.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:34 am

I think one thing that bugs me about them is that they're so obsessed with killing dragons. They don't even seem to care about the Thalmor or the state of the Empire anymore, they're more concerned with killing one peaceful, world-saving dragon who did some bad things long, long ago back when it was unthinkable for a dragon to do anything else.

And to add, the same dragon who all that time ago also saved the world by doing the same thing; Teaching lesser races to shout with the help of Kyne. Even if he turned bad and the Dragonborn was gone, Dragonrend (a shout invented by mortals) could easily be used against him by anyone else, as demonstrated how easily the old nords who didn't even study the way of the voice used it to slaughter many dragons at the throat of the world.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:17 pm

I don't hate them, I'm just irritated that this is a 3rd game in a row where Blades have something to do with the MQ.
Can't remember if they were in Arena, and I've never played Daggerfall.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:27 am

Why would anyone like them? I don't see the point in their existence.
I went ahead and killed Parthy just for the sake of quest progression, and I was headed for disappointment.

Yay! So now I get to recruit three whole people into this 3 person faction! If they die, no more recruiting!
Yay! I get to have stupid bugs and journal entries like 'show Esbern some dragon bones' or whatever.
The Blades are basically finished right after you join them. How is that any good?!?
And their base is deep in Forsworn territory. How's that make any sense?

And to add to their redundancy, you can recruit 3 followers into the Blades without killing Paarthurnax (a good way to get your Housecarls to stop getting fat on your bread). They are hypocrites who'll accept your followers into their ranks while 'not speaking' to you.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:02 pm

Because they are bunch of dragon lovers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv1VWb6nLK0

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:03 pm

I think the 3 followers is symbolic. Just like the lack of large populations with towns. Or even how big events look small, like the Burning of King Olaf or Kodlak's funeral. Bethesda has a habit of scaling things down and only displaying a basic representation of things. It's yet another in a long line of things that you can't knock the "Blades" specifically about. Blame the game (it's ok, don't worry. i won't tell anyone).

The basic gist of the recruits is that if you did it, it might be said later that the dragonborn might have helped rebuild the order with new blood (whether you ultimately side with them or not).

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:59 pm

Actually, that's a truism if you take to heart the "when dragons shout they are having a complex battle of words...." or whatever the quote is (sorry, maybe need more wine?)

Heh yeah.. actually, that's one of my favorite bits about Paarthurnax (excuse the irony, considering the subject of the thread). "Speak to me as a dovah speaks!"

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:36 pm

I didn't like Delphine's attitude from the beginning. Honestly, after she gave me the horn on my first character, I told her that I didn't have to prove a damn thing to her and said [censored] it to the main story for the first 2 weeks from when the game came out. I'm not gonna appease some [censored] to move on, sorry.

I saved the main story for a rainy day, and I've only done it twice because I hate dealing with Delphine and somewhat Esbern, though he's not too bad.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:55 pm

they are trying to force me to do something I don't want to.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:56 am

Because they are bunch of dragon lovers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv1VWb6nLK0

Just gross. :yuck:

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:33 pm

I dislike the Blades because they think they're all that and they push me around like I'm their little pawn, while I am all that and should be the one pushing them around. So what the Blades where the emperor's official guards and that they were dragon killers, the only Blades that are left are Delphine and Esbern, and they don't protect any emperor, nor are they Dragonborn. And after all the [censored] they put you through, they also tell you to kill Paarthurnax, one of the few honourable characters in the game, or they refuse to talk to you? Well, Blades, just rot away in your Sky Haven Temple, I don't even want to talk to that bunch of pretenders.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:49 pm

I hate the Blades because..

1: They want me to kill someone that I will never kill..
2: They are too bossing. I don't care what they do and I don't want them to 'follow me' but I don't want them bossing me around and telling me to do this and that. Very annoying. Specially Delphine.
3: Delphine is an idiot. No Joke. I was following her to that one Dragon burial Mound once and she got stuck in one of those nordic towers and she just stayed in the place, trying to run threw a wall!
4: Delphine is too crazy over the Thalmor.. I hate them too but they aren't powerful enough to conjure up dragons...
5: They are not the best choice makers...

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:25 pm

The Blades are not worthy of my hatred. As far as I'm concerned they're just two old paranoid has-beens, who can sit in their empty temple trying to rehash the glory days of a dead organization.

I left a copy of "A Kiss, Sweet Mother" on the dining hall table, for when they're actually willing to discuss payment for killing Paarthurnax.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:24 am

They want me to kill Paarthurnax, and he's my dragon-bro. I will not kill my dragon-bro.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:24 am

A dragon bro that was nce to you and gave the only person who could take on his brother and defeat him the weapons to take him down and that same brothat everyone sees as changed because hes been meditating for like 5000 years to suppress his need to dominate, goes off literally almost right after u tell hi of aluin's death to go and dominate the dragons under his "way of the voice"...u know, that dosent look well when hes been suppressing his instincts for 5000 years and right after the one dragon who can take him down is finished goes off the wagon and trys to start dominating again..

reminds me that "nice" isnt always "good", seeing how alot of starngers act nice to get peopel to lower thier guard so thye can rob them.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:40 pm

Well yeah that point's pretty valid, but if you just look at the Blades as a faction, their design, what Bethesda made of them, what they have to offer, how much depth is involved, they're nothing but a shallow disappointment. So even if you join them and move on, there's nothing there for you.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:15 am

Also remember "Good" isn't always "Nice." Paar has suppressed his destructive insincts for 5000 years and wants to make sure other dragons follow. Even if it means having to take a stance of "Join me or get killed by the Dovahkiin."

Either way is completely possible- he's either one of the greatest puppeteers in the game or one of the best good guys in the game. We'll (hopefully) know in the Elder Scrolls VI, if not a DLC for Skyrim beforehand.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:18 pm

Either way is completely possible- he's either one of the greatest puppeteers in the game or one of the best good guys in the game.

It is hardly the best good guy. It sure is evil inside and once murdered many many people for the sake of power and domination. It might just gotten too old and too weak to go after its lust.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:02 pm

While I don't agree with them in game (I haven't killed him once yet) I like the Blades for forcing the player into an uncomfortable situation. I think they were well done but they could have been developed further as could have the rest of the game's factions.

I completely agree with you. Just when you feel like you're starting to get into things, the faction quests just end. Each one easily could have been at least twice as long as they are currently; they're nothing compared to the faction quests in Oblivion..

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:13 am

I don't hate them, I'm just irritated that this is a 3rd game in a row where Blades have something to do with the MQ.
Can't remember if they were in Arena, and I've never played Daggerfall.

They where in daggerfall though i forget the quests they where in, i don't remember about arena but the lore wasn't fleshed out then so they may have been there under a different name.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:24 pm

My reason for choosing Paarthunaax over the Blades, is simply that the former wants to see the Dragonborn grow as an individual, not just be a killing machine. The whole greybeard vs. blade questline eventually becomes a question of existence and philosophy.

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:55 am

It is hardly the best good guy. It sure is evil inside and once murdered many many people for the sake of power and domination. It might just gotten too old and too weak to go after its lust.

No, a dragon cannot grow old and weak. The whole point of the Dragonrend shout- Mortal, Finite, Temporary- is a triad of things a dragon IS NOT and CANNOT understand at a fundamental level. If you've noticed, all have to deal with what we do on an everyday basis, which is fundamental to our nature. We die due to old age (MORTAL). Our abilties can only fall within a range, even the best of us has a peak point where they cannot push past (FINITE). Anything we make will never truly last (TEMPORARY). A dragon is none of these- and so the Dragonrend literally screws with their mind for a short period of time. It really speaks volumes about the nature of dragons that they can recover from a horrible mind screw in a few seconds while most people would go insane if they were immediatly assulted by the truith of three things they couldn't understand at a fundamental level.

And did you forget the whole "No dragon did anything before Paar regarding humans because of Alduin?" bit?

» Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:32 am

No, a dragon cannot grow old and weak.

Sure it can. If you can believe one thing you can believe another, too. Just because they cannot understand it does not mean they cannot become old and weak. The also come in different strengths and Paarthurnax was an easy kill.