Why do people need to mod the game so much?

Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:01 am

Nope, outside of that there's top-100(I think) advlt mods. Same with images. I've been with nexus with the start, that wasn't always there, PES doesn't have it. I'm sure the need for it arose when 80% of the mods started becoming advlts. In a way it's useful for finding more useful mods I suppose.

I'm not lambasting pormography, just, time and a place. Skimypy armour's a bit of a pet peeve for me.

My point is that he was labeling every type of mod to be driven by everyone's [censored].

And that, my friend, is simply not so.

Perverts will be perverts. Just do what you do, they do what they do.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:09 pm

or better looking drivers

Or better looking spectators.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:35 pm

i get the whole modding thing, in fact, i think gaming is better for it. It sure in hell beats paying over the odds for micro transactions that many devs release nowadays, so they can bleed their fan base dry.

However, and as this thread proves, there's obviously some people out there that get their jollies from having control over a nvde or semi nvde set of pixel(s). I can't ever envisage the day when running around with a nvde or scantly dressed toon would give me some sort of sixual gratification, which strangely doesn't seem to be the case for some people. I suppose it's the closest thing some people will get to having a rl female - male relationship.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:32 am

i get the whole modding thing, in fact, i think gaming is better for it. It sure in hell beats paying over the odds for micro transactions that many devs release nowadays, so they can bleed their fan base dry.

However, and as this thread proves, there's obviously some people out there that get their jollies from having control over a nvde or semi nvde set of pixel(s). I can't ever envisage the day when running around with a nvde or scantly dressed toon would give me some sort of sixual gratification, which strangely doesn't seem to be the case for some people. I suppose it's the closest thing some people will get to having a rl female - male relationship.

The fact that the mods are even made show that fact.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:26 am

i get the whole modding thing, in fact, i think gaming is better for it. It sure in hell beats paying over the odds for micro transactions that many devs release nowadays, so they can bleed their fan base dry.

However, and as this thread proves, there's obviously some people out there that get their jollies from having control over a nvde or semi nvde set of pixel(s). I can't ever envisage the day when running around with a nvde or scantly dressed toon would give me some sort of sixual gratification, which strangely doesn't seem to be the case for some people. I suppose it's the closest thing some people will get to having a rl female - male relationship.

Even so, censorship should be opposed at every opportunity, because almost all artistic works (think requiem for a dream, eyes wide shut) have erotocism to some degree It's an innate part of human existence. The difference is the human element, and that it's done tastefully and done to further the plot. With these mods it's just running around in ridiculous armour. The problem, I think is that the medium of video games have not matured, they are a young form. Film took a long time to get respected as a legitimate artform, I hope the same happens for gaming.

PS. Isn't internet pormography "pixels"? I understand your sentiment and agree, but that always annoys me.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:13 am

Even so, censorship should be opposed at every opportunity, because almost all artistic works (think requiem for a dream, eyes wide shut) have erotocism to some degree It's an innate part of human existence. The difference is the human element, and that it's done tastefully and done to further the plot. With these mods it's just running around in ridiculous armour. The problem, I think is that the medium of video games have not matured, they are a young form. Film took a long time to get respected as a legitimate artform, I hope the same happens for gaming.

PS. Isn't internet pormography "pixels"? I understand your sentiment and agree, but that always annoys me.

I'm not saying they should be censored, nor did i insinuate they should be censored, I just don't get the whole nvde/semi nvde pixel thing. but that's just my opinion. I suppose it's like the whole bondage/swinging/foot thing, what floats someone's boat isn't necessarily understood by others. Hell, there's even amine porm out there, so people getting their jollies from some man made creation is nothing new.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:50 am

I'm not saying they should be censored, nor did i insinuate they should be censored, I just don't get the whole nvde/semi nvde pixel thing. but that's just my opinion. I suppose it's like the whole bondage/swinging/foot thing, what floats someone's boat isn't necessarily understood by others. Hell, there's even amine porm out there, so people getting their jollies from some man made creation is nothing new.
I wasn't accusing you of endorsing cencorship, just wanted to throw that out there.

Nudity is not always sixual in films and books, why can't they make it work for games?

I suppose some of it is their demographic, I think it could be argued a lot of gamers don't conform to what is considered mature,
Also there has been lots of history, legal and otherwise between games and nudity/sixual content.
It's percieved as a kid's toy, not a story telling medium in its own right, and so nothing can be taken artistically and is regarded as cheap smut.
(see mass effect and fox news)
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:53 am

Didn't read the whole thread, but in answer to the OP, its just sort of a hobby. I like computers, I build them, read about them, do all sorts of art, a touch of web development etc and tweaking or modding a game sort of fits into this category, I'm not sure why, but TES games are extra fun, I guess its because a)There is so much you can do, because modding is so well supported, the ini files are tweakable and the modding community is huge, B) Its a challenge because they are so badly optimized, c) The world is truly beautiful, so its fun to try and make it even nicer!
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:26 am

I wasn't accusing you of endorsing cencorship, just wanted to throw that out there.

Nudity is not always sixual in films and books, why can't they make it work for games?

I suppose some of it is their demographic, I think it could be argued a lot of gamers don't conform to what is considered mature,
Also there has been lots of history, legal and otherwise between games and nudity/sixual content.
It's percieved as a kid's toy, not a story telling medium in its own right, and so nothing can be taken artistically and is regarded as cheap smut.
(see mass effect and fox news)

Without wanting to derail the thread, the whole in game sixual thing is usually a wasted adventure in most games. it adds nothing to game play, it adds little or nothing to the story being told and it's usually just implemented to drum up extra business. After all, six sells and the extra exposure (no pun intended ;-)) sixual content attracts is worth its weight in gold to both the devs and publishers.

last i checked, Skyrim or any other TES game for that matter isn't sixually orientated, so to include this sort of content makes no sense and i suspect that's why Beth don't include it. Even the whole marriage thing is pretty linear and doesn't touch upon the sixual side of things.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:39 pm

Without wanting to derail the thread, the whole in game sixual thing is usually a wasted adventure in most games. it adds nothing to game play, it adds little or nothing to the story being told and it's usually just implemented to drum up extra business. After all, six sells and the extra exposure (no pun intended ;-)) sixual content attracts is worth its weight in gold to both the devs and publishers.

last i checked, Skyrim or any other TES game for that matter isn't sixually orientated, so to include this sort of content makes no sense and i suspect that's why Beth don't include it. Even the whole marriage thing is pretty linear and doesn't touch upon the sixual side of things.

Requiem for a dream includes sixual content, but it is designed not to be titilating, quite the opposite in fact. It is supposed to be disturbing to make a point. It was undreamed of that any mainstream film could have that sort of content in it, but now it is normal enough, and it serves a purpose. This is because film is considered a more mature and legitimate for storytelling than gaming.

Why not for games? Not just sixual content, other things that would never be allowed in the game. I would love a game that let me experience in first person surviving the nazi regime as a serb, or a jew. Films doing things like that (polanski's "the pianist") and more notably, schindler's list.

The press would lynch mob any dev that did it.


EDIT: Check out requiem, or at least read the synopsis, it's a good film
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:35 am

I have no idea how to construct Mods, but when I was playing Morrowind I used to love downloading them. It really esxtneds the lifespan of some game. Even if the vanilla version has several hundred hours worth of gameplay.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:38 am

That's a bit of a harsh statement, I don't think people would bother modding a game where they don't like the core experience. SkyUI is a bit of an exception I suppose because you spend a great deal of time interacting with the interface.

It's an accurate statement.

When oblivion was first released, I played vanilla for about 45 minutes, decided the game was pointless. And stopped. Some time later, mods were out that addressed my main complaints with the game, and now I have a game that I actually enjoy. (and an install folder that exceeds 20 gig......)

Mods do an assortment of things for the game.
Fix what the individual player sees as a problem.
Fix bugs that bethesda neglects to.
adds additional content.
alters game mechanics to something more resembling what the individual player wants.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:40 pm

Requiem for a dream includes sixual content, but it is designed not to be titilating, quite the opposite in fact. It is supposed to be disturbing to make a point. It was undreamed of that any mainstream film could have that sort of content in it, but now it is normal enough, and it serves a purpose. This is because film is considered a more mature and legitimate for storytelling than gaming.

Why not for games? Not just sixual content, other things that would never be allowed in the game. I would love a game that let me experience in first person surviving the nazi regime as a serb, or a jew. Films doing things like that (polanski's "the pianist") and more notably, schindler's list.

The press would lynch mob any dev that did it.


EDIT: Check out requiem, or at least read the synopsis, it's a good film

I simply can't see what purpose sixual content or running around with a nvde toon serves in a TES game, that's all.

Now, games like Saints Row and GTA,it makes sense to include it to an extent. For example, including nvde or semi nvde characters in strip joints etc makes sense, because, well, it makes sense and adds realism to the surroundings. After all, a strip joint without strippers isn't a strip joint and the game/story needs to include these sort of surroundings to make the game seem more authentic so to speak.

A naked catwalk-esque female running around in Skyrim, kinda contradicts the world we are running around in whilst playing the game.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:40 pm

I wish I had a PC so I could use mods.

Either that, or the opportunity to tie up a Bethesda artist and make them watch a 6 hour long slideshow of pictures...

Just pictures of people. Nothing special. No boobs. No supermodels. Just people.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:19 am

Simple, once developers have released a game the product is already in the market and their sales will follow. There is little to gain by changing things in the vanilla game instead of making more content and selling that (DLC's / expansions). Modders on the other hand improve and expand upon the greatness of a game by implementing either their own ideas or popular requests (such as a better UI in skyrim's case). It's not illegal in Bethesda's case because they fully allow and even endorse their modding communities (it's allowed by most game developers and publishers, except the really big ones like Activision and EA, but their games are rarely worthwhile when it comes to modding anyway).

Bethesda's support of modding has become quite a big feature of TES and Fallout games, to the point that people consider it one of the greatest things that comes with the games (myself included).

Edit: it's also noteworthy that developers tend to borrow ideas from mods and implement them in next installments. Quite a few features in Skyrim were mods for Oblivion (companions, finishing moves, mannequins,..). It's a win-win situation and mods contribute more to the game industry than some people would like to believe.

Im really pissed of i want too say many nasty things now but i dont do it
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:17 am

I'm confused. Personally, I want to hear these nasty things. What riles you up about that post?
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:57 pm

I mod the game mostly for challenge. I like the fact that I can have a beefed up sword that deals nearly 500 damage and a set of legendary Daedric Armor and still have to regularly retreat from dragon fights due to the Deadly Dragons mod.

Also, mods that improve functionality, such as SkyUI, Categorized Favorites Menu, and A Quality World Map With Roads are a must for me.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:11 am

Because people are doing it for them-- for free. Releasing these tools is an ingenious idea by Bethesda, they allow for freelancers to use their talents and creativity and the entire gaming community benefits.
Unpaid intellectual labor! Brilliant! >:)

Kidding aside, people mostly do it as a hobby like any other. Because they're bored with the routine that is modern planetary forced labor, and since no one wants to TALK anymore about anything serious in this materialistic instant gratification corporate consumer "culture" (and those who do are set upon like heretics and accused of being "energy vampires" or some other self-help section sheepist propaganda), people turn to escapism.

Nothing wrong with that. As last ditch creative outlets go, it's healthier than many.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:17 am

Because not everyone likes the same thing. :facepalm: It really is that simple.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:15 am

I actually am really happy with Skyrim and think it one of the best games ever but that doesn't mean I won't use mods to tune it to my personal taste, The anology about hot dogs was spot on IMO. Modding is why I'm aPC gamer. Nothing is cooler than having an already great game tweaked to your personal tastes or expaned on to your persoal tastes. With over 5000 mods pre CK , I'm really excited about what's going to be happening.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:52 pm

Im loving some of the texture upgrades - NPC clothing, foods, furniture - but for me much of the outside environment textures are just fine with the vanilla game.

The grasses, ground coverings, trees ect ect. Skyrim 2K seemed a lot of work for what was already not bad (just imho!)

Thats the thing with the elder scroll communitys tho, you cant hold them back from wanting to make it better. so Good on them ~
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:02 am

are you a console player? You'd find it hard to understand something of which you've had no experience, if that's the case.
Offensively oppressive PC elitism.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:52 pm

Because modding is fun. It allows me to customize the entire virtual world, to enhance my game however I choose, to add masses of new content to the world, to do whatever I want in this virtual world and not be limited to what the vanilla game offers. Modding enables people to take the world created in vanilla Skyrim and make it soooo much more, building and expanding on what is already there.

RPG takes on a whole new meaning when you can create whatever you want in this virtual world. Live out any fantasy....

Think DLCs are good, try the masses of new quest mods, houses to suit every single taste, masses of armor to suit every character, new locations to explore, new characters to meet, new animations, new iems, better textures.....the list goes on and on.....
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:05 am

I never Mod. I play Morrowind, oblivion, and Skyrim 100% Mod-free. Wouldn't play any other way.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:19 am

I suppose its nice to customise the game and change aspects you don't like about it.
I used a lot of mods for Oblivion but haven't even used one in Skyrim so far. Skyrim feels far more polished and dense with content (lots of locations, hand-crafted landscapes, etc.) than Oblivion so I just haven't felt motivated to add any mods.
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