Why would any of us buy another Bethesda game? : Fallout: New Vegas

» Tue May 17, 2011 2:46 pm

It's funny. I can see exactly where these people are coming from, but I think they're being a bit unreasonable.

The game just came out, and a patch is already in the works. Beth/Obsidian is dealing with this problem extremely quickly, all things considered. I mean, it's impossible to test for every single hardware configuration, so it's no wonder some bugs slipped under the radar.

However, some time ago, I bought Civilization IV. The game is 5 years old, yet the wait times between turns takes as long as a game made 5 years from now would take on my laptop (which is reasonably up-to-date). I've done my research, and posted in forums, yet the general consensus is that because the game is so darn good (I wouldn't know), the AI taking an unreasonable amount of time is completely forgivable. ("It's not a bug, it's a feature!" seems to actually be considered true in this situation)

I respectfully disagreed, and have refused to buy Civ V, even though I really, really want it.

Now, Bethesda and Obsidian are dealing with these bugs in a very timely manner, and therefore I believe any threats to not buy their products again are completely unreasonable. On the other hand, in the 5 years Civ IV has been out, Firaxis hasn't bothered to fix this (fairly prevalent, as near as I can tell) performance problem, so not buying their products ever again actually seems much more reasonable.

» Tue May 17, 2011 5:51 am

Yes, the game just came out. Imagine it's 1986. You buy a brand new NES, and everytime you get to the end of level 1-2 in Mario Bros. you get whisked to minus world and cannot continue the game. Also Clay pigeons in Duck Hunt freeze the entire system. Would you keep buying Mario games? I don't care if it's new, It doesn't work.

» Tue May 17, 2011 12:50 am

Yes, the game just came out. Imagine it's 1986. You buy a brand new NES, and everytime you get to the end of level 1-2 in Mario Bros. you get whisked to minus world and cannot continue the game. Also Clay pigeons in Duck Hunt freeze the entire system. Would you keep buying Mario games? I don't care if it's new, It doesn't work.

Did you miss the part where I said that it's impossible to test for every single configuration ever, and a patch is actually being worked on?

Not to mention, I can't believe I have to say this, but a game like Mario Bros (even New Super Mario Bros. Wii or Mario Galaxy 2) is waaaay less complicated than a game like New Vegas.

Are you the kind of person who stops his microwave 5 seconds before it's done because you're so impatient that you have to eat now? A little patience goes a long way.

» Tue May 17, 2011 3:19 am

Yes, the game just came out. Imagine it's 1986. You buy a brand new NES, and everytime you get to the end of level 1-2 in Mario Bros. you get whisked to minus world and cannot continue the game. Also Clay pigeons in Duck Hunt freeze the entire system. Would you keep buying Mario games? I don't care if it's new, It doesn't work.

At the risk of sounding argumentative...isn't comparing duck hunt and New Vegas a bit far on the extremes...at least use a Zelda game refernce or somethin...
I mean remember how Crysis was for anyone who didn't have a badazz gaming rig?

I gotta agree about Oblivion...I was pretty bored with that game. It even sounded boring (like no audio to keepe awake) for the beginning hours...and I stuck out nearly a year on WoW before I had enough.

The MMo is still the ultimate future. Maybe not in respects to style (though I have to give Blizzard credit for charging and deliverig content and fixes frequently and informatively) But WoW delivers a rich variety of game types for a variety of people to experience. This is only heightened with a living audience that can witness your badazzery. I think rockstar is doing a great job testig the limits of their games and always providing a working game that is not only a lengthy solo playthrough but also engenuitive transitions in story, context, and gameplay into their multiplayer modes (ie Red Dead Redemption). If only they could fix their running-steerig mechanic...I'm sick of running in circles to turn.

I'm 37 and hooked on games but I couldn't be happier playing on the xbox network with all of it's demons...it's a very populated network to play with. Nothing blows more than to see these online MMO ips shut down their service...somehow seems less dramatic with a hub of gaming community members.

I need to get a job.

» Tue May 17, 2011 8:38 am

Did you miss the part where I said that it's impossible to test for every single configuration ever, and a patch is actually being worked on?

Not to mention, I can't believe I have to say this, but a game like Mario Bros (even New Super Mario Bros. Wii or Mario Galaxy 2) is waaaay less complicated than a game like New Vegas.

Are you the kind of person who stops his microwave 5 seconds before it's done because you're so impatient that you have to eat now? A little patience goes a long way.

Wow you missed the point there. I understand that it's a big game, I get it. The point is, paying 60 dollars for an unfinished, unusable product is unacceptable. I don't care if it's the largest, most detailed game ever made. If I'm gonna pay for it, it should work. You preach patience. Maybe Bethesda should have used a little before releasing this unplayable game on an unsuspecting public.

» Tue May 17, 2011 3:46 am

Wow you missed the point there. I understand that it's a big game, I get it. The point is, paying 60 dollars for an unfinished, unusable product is unacceptable. I don't care if it's the largest, most detailed game ever made. If I'm gonna pay for it, it should work. You preach patience. Maybe Bethesda should have used a little before releasing this unplayable game on an unsuspecting public.

I have to agree. If they pushed it out 2 months late and had all the issues taken care of, the gamers would have understood. I would rather wait then play and get disappointed. Besides anyone who was going to by this game would have bought it anyway regardless of what other games were on the market.

» Tue May 17, 2011 12:41 am

I've been waiting for this game for quite awhile now. Another few months would not have deterred me. But then it wouldn't have been out in time for christmas! And that can't happen, whether it works or not.

» Tue May 17, 2011 3:03 am

I don't think anyone is in disagreement about the state of this game at it's release. But it is 2010, and THANKFULLY (and hopefully) we are able to have this game patched opposed to the litany of other broken games that are on the shelves, or even worse were recalled in the old days. I dont know which i would prefer, game recall that kills a title or frantically awaiting a fix. We don't think about it as much because typically most of us steer away from the bad games. I think once the major BUG is fixed people will breathe a little easier and be able to appreciate the magnitude (at least on subcontextual writing alone) of this game.
I've yet to understand studios and publishers in this market. They seem a lot like the different factions in Fallout...constantly threatened to be consumed by bigger legions at their peak of notoriety.
I'm just so happy this isn't another GODMN traditional RPG with wizards and elves...which isn't to say the post apocalypse setting isn't getting to be a played out scenario.

I liked Bioshock (but was immediately bored wuth the return to setting), but honestly the only reason people gave that game praise for it's "original" story was because it played smoothly and didn't let you far off the rails. It's kind of the coldplay of videogames...it plays well and you like it but it's still no radiohead.

» Tue May 17, 2011 6:09 am

I've been waiting for this game for quite awhile now. Another few months would not have deterred me. But then it wouldn't have been out in time for christmas! And that can't happen, whether it works or not.

lol I was gonna go into the whole bit about how it doesn't matter until I realized I took 2 weeks off work for christmas and it would have effected my "staycation" So i hear you.

» Tue May 17, 2011 1:39 pm

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I liked Bioshock (but was immediately bored wuth the return to setting), but honestly the only reason people gave that game praise for it's "original" story was because it played smoothly and didn't let you far off the rails. It's kind of the coldplay of videogames...it plays well and you like it but it's still no radiohead.

It's no Radiohead, I love that.

» Tue May 17, 2011 4:12 am

I would not buy another Bethesda game without reading something in reviews about the game being a lot less buggy than New Vegas, that's for sure.

» Tue May 17, 2011 2:45 pm

I bought this game because i loved Oblivion and FO3, i also felt because of the previous title's ill be getting another amazing gaming experience. I'm really disappointed now

The engine that ES4, FO3 and F:NV is 9 year's old now (i think?) it's just pathetic that the buggiest version is the latest one!

I will buy ES5 and FO4 but only if bethesda have an improved GameBryo engine or entirely new game engine that's stable otherwise i will spare myself the frustration's.

» Tue May 17, 2011 7:19 am

The game just came out, and a patch is already in the works. Beth/Obsidian is dealing with this problem extremely quickly, all things considered. I mean, it's impossible to test for every single hardware configuration, so it's no wonder some bugs slipped under the radar.

whats wrong with the game being done right before it comes out? why is it ok to say lets ship it in unsatisfactory condition let ppl play it a few weeks and see whats broken then patch it?

» Tue May 17, 2011 2:11 am

I have canceled my pre-order of brink, due to the lack of testing in FO:NV. If this is the level of professionalism Bethesda is putting into its games.

Right, because Bethesda Softworks is the developer?

BUT I WANT ACHIEVEMENTS!!!

Good thing Steam has achievements then.

» Tue May 17, 2011 11:21 am

When is the last time Obsidian has actually made a good game? People seem to look over the fact that Obsidian is the developer and not Beth STUDIOS.

Why are you people pissed at Beth when you should be recognizing the continuing incompetence of Obsidian? Is it because of your love for the previous Fallouts and how Obsidian is your closest connection to the good old days? Is it residual dissatisfaction of what FO3 was and is it spilling over onto this game?

Obsidian is a sub-par developer and I was worried that they would screw up another franchise like they did with KOTOR. That being said, even for a poorly coded game, FONV is still loads of fun and even though it is as glitch y as any game I’ve played in a while, I don’t think it is worth boycotting any future game that has potential.

» Tue May 17, 2011 5:07 am

I will post it here, my response from another thread, because its just as accurate:

I was hit with the bug during the first week I had this game when it was released. I was 5hrs in...but, I didn't mind starting over again. I cannot tell you HOW FAR I AM IN THIS GAME at the present moment...but, let me tell you, I have tread some MAJOR ground. And just a while ago...even when I cut of ALL possible ways to auto-save, I was hit with the bug again and the ONLY save that worked was, you guessed it, the AUTO-SAVE. The other files after that would not load, but that file would load. So, I loaded and saved twice after it, and it seemed to have solved the problem. The new manual saves work now, but that is BESIDE the point. It's the fact that it happened again....AFTER that half-a$$ed update, which I thought was suppose to FIX what even caused the auto-save problem in the first place.

Will this be the last game I buy made by Obisidian? You better believe it! And I hate that because this game has been AMAZING so far. But, I swear before a box of m&m's, this is it. Now, it doesn't matter if I stop buying their games because someone will come and take my place. That is OK! But, should I lose my mind one day and buy another game made by Obisidian, I will do what I did with fallout 3, when I didn't even know a game called "Fallout" even existed: I will wait an entire YEAR after it has been released to buy it. By that time, there should be no excuse for it not be fixed by this. $60 is A LOT of money. Let me say that one more time: $60 IS A LOT OF FREAKIN' MONEY! Never again. Never EVER again.

» Tue May 17, 2011 12:08 pm

I have noticed a polarity in many of the posts here.

Many people are saying they'll never buy a Bethesda game again... I really don't pay too much credibility to these statements as no distinction has been made as to whether or not a fix will ultimately change their minds. I assume that they're stating that Bethesda has crossed the line and shall never be redeemed and to me that doesn't seem like a reasonable consumer response, particularly if you're a fan of the product.

Many people are saying that they won't buy another Bethesda game until this bug is fixed. I am of this view and I would assume that this group of people makes up the majority of people who have been hit by the bug.

However, starkly opposed to these two views are people who chime in and say something sarcastic like: "Yeah, you'll boycott bethesda games for sure... until TESV and FO4 is released".

Now such a jab might be appropriate if people are boastful enough to state they'd boycott Bethesda even if they make a fix. But it not an appropriate statement if Bethesda does not fix the DLC bug.

I played Geard of War on the 360 right through to the final level on insane difficulty, Knowing Ramm would drive me literally insane, I decided I'd play co-op on easy for a few weeks for a break from the intensity. Unfortunately a bug caused me to lose all my progress through the insane (and half of the hardcoe) play-through. I did not realise at the time that I could access the final evel via online co-op play, so I remained bitter towards developers and as such I did not buy GoW2 and haven't raised an eyebrow in response to GoW 3 media. It turned me off the game for years.

I just bought GoW for the PC as a means of getting myself back into the series, but unless I can somehow score myself an xbox co-op game that will allow me to complete the final level on insane I will NOT be buying GoW2... I am THAT bitter about the bug and there are many other games to play instead.

This is exactly how I feel about New Vegas, and being an open ended RPG with so much case-and-effect dynamics, more is at stake. It is far more frustrating to lose progress in an adventure that you'd fine tuned to your enjoyment and personality than it is to lose progress in a shooter.

having an unplayable game has made me bitter and no amount of love for Morrowind or Fallout is going to make me buy another Bethesda product until I can enjoy a long, reliable, if somewhat buggy, romp through New Vegas.

So, while I consider it a bit of an exagerration if someone says they'll boycott the company even if the game is fixed, do you really think it's unreasonable for someone to stay angry at the developers if there is no fix? Do you honestly think we'd go and buy another game?

I'd appreciate your thoughts... and more echoes of my particular stance, which I think is the most universal and most constructive:

Give us a playable game and we'll keep buying your games

Oh and Please don't tell me there are "ways" to avoid the DLC bug, it's unavoidable and it's a game killer... pure and simple. if you have avoided it you have simply been lucky. QED.

P.S. I am also fine with losing my progress/save files, as long as I can have assurances my next new character will have a reliable save file system.

» Tue May 17, 2011 2:42 am

PERSONNALY, I TREAT A NEW GAME AS ANY NEW PRODUCT , SUCH AS AN AUTOMOBILE. WHEN I BUY SOMETHING NEW, I HAVE AN EXPECATION
OF PERFECTION. IF I DRIVE A NEW AUTOMOBILE OFF THE LOT, AND IT STUTTERS, CHUGS, THEN STALLS.....I RETURN IT, NO MATTER HOW MUCH
I MAY LIKE THE WAY IT LOOKS, OR THE OPTIONS. IF IT GETS FIXED, FINE; IF NOT I'LL WAIT FOR THE NEXT MODEL. I REFUSE TO PAY NEW PRODUCT PRICES FOR USED PRODUCT PERFORMANCE. HEY, MONEY IS MONEY, WHETHER IT'S 60.00 OR 6,000, QUALITY IS A PROFESSIONAL
TRAIT WHICH ALL COMPANIES SHOULD STRIVE FOR.

» Tue May 17, 2011 5:29 am

Why would any of us buy another Bethesda game?

Because they make super awesome games !

Never had any problems with any of their releases, so yes, I will continue to pre-order all their RPG titles.

Thanks for a great game Obsidian/Bethesda. Nevermind the haters. Some people will never be satisfied

» Tue May 17, 2011 7:27 am

Why would any of us buy another Bethesda game?

Because they make super awesome games !

Never had any problems with any of their releases, so yes, I will continue to pre-order all their RPG titles.

Thanks for a great game Obsidian/Bethesda. Nevermind the haters. Some people will never be satisfied

no, mind the haters. we are the ones that pay your bills.

a "super awesome" product actually works, and yours doesnt.

a great game doesnt have a game breaking glitch that corrupts ALL your save files when you attempt to load the latest save. why would anyone start over after playing 50 hours and having your save files corrupted and risk your new game doing the same?

fix the damn save file corruption bug already!

» Tue May 17, 2011 3:55 am

My game works fine as I said. 2 playthroughs, did all the "dangerous game breaking quests" without any problems

» Tue May 17, 2011 3:12 pm

My game works fine as I said. 2 playthroughs, did all the "dangerous game breaking quests" without any problems

Well, somebody give this man a medal and a cookie. What are you doing on this board if your copy works fine, troll much.

» Tue May 17, 2011 3:16 am

Well, somebody give this man a medal and a cookie. What are you doing on this board if your copy works fine, troll much.

Yes, I'm a troll :celebration:

» Tue May 17, 2011 5:06 am

the DLC bug is probably the least experienced bug in the game for me,it has happened once or twice but i always make multiple saves so i just load the next one along

its the fact that i can't complete(or even start)some quests/missions that is more annoying for me...'Bye Bye Love','Oh My Papa' and the next mission for the BoS(come back in a few days,come back in a few days,come back in a few days etc etc)

» Tue May 17, 2011 4:01 pm

Nothing but Bethesda haters. Obsidian made the game. How often does one blame a publisher for a bad game? Not very often unless they have a bias.

Also, ever play Alpha Protocal? Terrible.