What I heard is that the level cap is 30, if they decided to raise it higher than that, then I haven't heard of it. If they did, though, 40 would make more sense, as if we get perks every two levels, it would seem ideal to have the amout of levels available by an even number.



It seems to me that abilities which are focused more on just being fun than actually being useful would make more sense as traits, since if you can only get perks once every two levels now, you'll want to make sure each one you take is worth your while, thus, it would seem to me that the designers should ensure that all perks are worth choosing.

But whether the choice to give perks every two levels was a good one or not depends on how many perks there are in the game, I want the game to be balanced and there to be some degree of importance to which perks you choose, so I certainly don't want to be able to have a character who has every single perk available in the game. On the other hand, if the amount of perks the player can choos is too small compared to how many are actually available, then it seems a little too limiting, so it really comes down to game balance, and while I admire Obsidian's efforts to balance the game, I can't say if they're actually effective or not until I've seen how they work out in the game.

The reason they felt like that in Fallout 3 was because progressing the skills didn't, the perks felt like as if being offered to patch the lack in skill impact - like they needed to be there to make moving from level x to level y more worthwhile. The way things are shaping up, that won't be the case this time around (at least not to the same degree).

Personally I felt that perk per every level watered them down. They didn't give any sense of accomplishment due to them being as common as skillpoints (and in some cases as useless too) - they were just too much "part of the leveling" to be noticed as anything extra as they are supposed to be. Imo.

it means y have more perks to choose from per level, and we don't really know who is wrong or who is right... YET

Alot of the fallout 3 perks were pretty useless to be honest, and by the end of the game i was running out of things that i actually wanted to take.

This way will be much better (in my opinion), and will cause us to think more about our decisions, rather then just grinding to the max level.

I wonder how many players are gonna take the Skilled trait if it's in.
Cause that means 1 perk every third levels = 10 perks in total.

Thats exactly why I never take it in Fallout or Fallout 2 :whistling:

Oh look, another "WHY CANT I MASTER EVERYTHING AND HAVE A GODLIKE CHARACTER" thread.

Agreed.There were no point in the perks for FO3 except for skill raising.What I like about the NV perks is that it's suppose to have more of an effect than just increasing a skill.

I still think there should be a cheat-code that unlocks infinite levels.
That way those who want god character can create them.

For consoles too?
TBH I would use the cheat....

I just hope the gifted trait is in as it was part of most of my fallout 1 & 2 runs.

Yup.
Lots of games have cheat codes for them.
Why should New Vegas be any exception?
It's all about options.
Let those who want to use cheats use them, and those who don't want to use them can just ignore them.

Will only know this till we get the game, but its a good assumption from what we've seen so far.

Yes.



And, oddly enough, I took plenty of +skill perks. Every character I've played in FO3. Why? Because I wasn't trying to min/max. I didn't care that I might max the skills "in the end"..... I focussed on maxing the skills that were central to each character, as soon as possible. In fact, even with my one high level character (29), I didn't have all the skills maxed. Not a single one of my characters did.



I didn't. I've honestly never understood the whole clamor for a higher level cap. Broken Steel screwed the game up completely, as it was balanced around having just 20 levels. Adding 10 more, adding more skill points, adding more perks..... bleh. I don't even bother installing BS anymore when I play FO3, it screws up more than it adds.

(Not to say that it couldn't have been improved - the rate of XP gain was a bit too high. It should have taken longer to actually hit that 20 cap.)


My greatest hope for FO:NV is that there's never any level cap increase DLC released. If the game is properly balanced around the levels and perks it has, then that is how it should stay.

I remember on FO3 GOTY when I got to lvl 30 nothing could kill me and the game got boring.

so anyway maybe they are just making it more fun other than VATS here VATS there VATS that VATS this ded ded ded ded...

actually dude, thy say you pick 3 traits

No. It's 2.

Yeah Jason Bergman corrected himself on the forums after we started talking about it after watching the Interview,

less perks= more replayability for more characters with different perks.

/thread

Thank you.
Yeah.
Good job.
All you did was prove that this game has EVEN MORE REPLAYABILITY VALUE.
Thanks alot.
Now I will save money by buying games I would've bought normally months later.
But I will lose my friends and family, thanks for proving that I will destroy my life.
/Rant

your welcome.

The fun thing about the original fallout was really choosing your perks carefully, looking forward to that perk every 3rd level..(or 4th level if you took the skilled trait) Perks were really special... F3 kind of made perks not so special. Fun to get but not special. Building a character in the original was a lot more fretful... and I miss that in games these days.. Where the decisions you make actually count for something. Heck.. Baldur's Gate/Icewind Dale were incredibly hard to level up... I remember just sitting there fretting over the best way to level on each level up. .. and baldur's gate only took you to level 9 .. with the expansion.
Everybody wanted more levels in F3 because you got to level 20 waaaaay before you got to the end of the game. I don't care what the level cap is...as long as it's an incredibly hard goal to reach. F1 was 21.. I think I reached 17 or 18. F2 was 99.. but I think I only reached 21... I'm hoping that F:NV 's level 30 isn't as obtainable as F3's level 30.

you trying to make it sound like a commertial advertizment or somethin? :rofl:

wintermane= Billy Mays. He has been reincarnated.

Actually getting a perk every two levels is much better than FO3's perk every single level. Now it's actually a treat instead of something you just get anyway. In FO1&2 it was actually a perk every three levels (even every 4 levels if you took a particular trait), so this lies nicely in between the extremes.

Hell, even a perk every three levels is more than justified, that's still 10 perks for 30 levels. FO3 just threw in everything at once because they were afraid that gamers are spineless wimps who are just spoiled rotten, unfortunately in your case they'd be correct :mellow: