In a perfect world, games would have no bugs, cheats, or exploits.... We all know that is never going to happen.

In a single player game, the only thing that matters is that the person who bought and paid for the game enjoys playing. If that means exploiting glitches, that is their business.

If you want to play a nord in no armor -go ahead. If you want to be invincible, go ahead - you paid for it.

Some people have lives outside of skyrim and simply don't have the time to waste getting some skills to where they want them.

Honestly - if this bugs you, you really need to sit down and meditate.

IT IS ONLY A GAME.

I wouldn't be so convinced it isn't supposed to be there. Beth leaves the developers console available for players for a reason, freedom and the Oghma Infinium glitch is just a little favor to the consoles who can't use the dev console.

I never used any cheats/glitches/powerleveling and I'm having a blast. Can't see how aquiring something trough unintended means could ever make it more fun. But that doesn't mean it needs to be fixed because we can choose wether or not to use it.

For the record, afaik, this does not work on the xbox - if it did in the past, it does not appear to work now. Yeah - I confess - I tried it.

No that is quite wrong.
First of all, it has been a long time since I was a kid.
Secondly, I have never used this Oghma glitch, it doesnt really appeal to me.

But do I want it removed? No. Why would I want that?
What interest is it of mine what someone else decides to do in their single player game? How does it hurt me in the slightest when someone decides to flash forward from level 15 to 81?
Im not the kind of person that would refuse everyone else the use of a fully optional thing just because I have no interest in it.
Because that is the crux here.
Why do you want to decide how everyone else should play their single player game they bought with their own money?

Fix the game-breakers, fix the crashes to desktop, the corrupted savegames that occur while playing the game as intended.
Leave these little loopholes for people that enjoy them.

It's a single player game...right? so in the grand scheme of the game it really makes no difference if you choose to use it thats fine but you can always choose not to use it so its down to your own mentality and will power really.

personally i didnt even know this existed and i really am not bothered by it i'd rather it stay for the people who wish to use it after all consolers dont get the console option if you wanted to alter stats / perks etc.

it mind boggles me sometimes, I swear i do not understand why some of the RPG players cannot just simply choose not to use it thus not bothering them, report it sure in the issues forum then leave it be if Beth decide to fix it, fine if they dont, fine. PC players will just use the console anyway so in theory as you can choose to use that should altering lvls / perks / stats be removed too as that could techniqually be a cheat but in a single player game i really fail to see how any of this matters in the slightest.

Well if you want to cheat yourself and you are on a console I suppose glitches are your only option.

I think it needs to be fixed of course, but I have also been known to use the console command on the PC to do what was never intended by the designers, so I really can't say that much about it I suppose.

It still works on Xbox. I know a lot of people with 1.4 Patch and still using it. It isn't on their list of things-to-do either so I don't think Bethesda will fix it.

It might've not work for you because you did something wrong?

My best guess is you OPEN the shelf and took the book from that instead of taking the book straight from the shelf.

This. Quoted for truth.

Slap to the head! Yep - that is what I was doing. Crap - my enchanting is near 90 now, and I've made so much progress, I can't bear to go back and try it. I may load it just to see if I can get it to work.

No one is wrong or right here. It's your personal game. You should play anyway that you want.

Those who are all up and arms over this really need to get over yourselves. It's their game, not yours. Who cares if they max themselves out or not? Is it affecting you? Of course not. Just like people jacking up their weapon damage to ridiculous numbers. Who cares! It's their game.

I could care less about what others do in their games.

I swear some of you people act like your the video game police of Skyrim.

Yep.

Yep.

I figure it's a few breadcrumbs thrown to console players who may need to restart a character whose game was 'broken' by a quest bug or a quest-giving NPC who was killed by an ingame event. Looking at the name of the quest that rewards with the Oghma Infinium I'm betting it's a play on words by Bethesda for players who consider grinding ability levels to be "mundane".

I used a little on my 1st character (after I passed 50) to regain 3 or 4 perk points that I 'wasted' and I used it a little more extensively on my 2nd character because I didn't want to spend 80-100 more hours leveling some abilities. I haven't used it to get all my abilities to 100 because I have no desire to be 81 - I'm doing fine in the low to mid-60s. Plus, like someone mentioned: the 100 in an ability doesn't amount to much without the perks and with everything to 100 you don't get enough perks for everything in every constellation so I'm assuming God Mode on a PC is far more of a 'cheat' than anything we can do with the Oghma Infinim - plus I can't put Smelters, Forges, Enchating Tables, etc in abandoned shacks in the shacks in the wilderness so you should redirect your ire. Anyone who complains about this glitch should not be remaining silent about what PC users can do with console commands.

The argument of casual v hardcoe gamers could be argued as people-with-jobs/lives v kids-who-don't-work (ready the turnout gear because here comes the fire ). What is a "hardcoe" gamer, anyway? Someone who plays for hours every day or someone who likes the difficulty on max or both? I will play for hours when I have the time and have quite a few Gamer Points and Trophies, but I don't care for games on max difficulty - I play in the middle or 1 notch above middle if there is an even number of difficulty levels (ie 3 of 4). Higher difficultly levels usu equate to one or a combination of: 1) more enemies, 2) enemies are stronger/tougher/faster, 3) player is weaker/slower. I've never seen a game where the AI is smarter on higher difficulty levels so I play in the middle.

Some people's lives are challenging enough and just want to relax and be tourists in a game world.

Heh. Buckom - I don't work (I did my 40 years, been retired for quite a few now). I still don't consider myself a hardcoe gamer, because regardless I play a LOT, I also have many other interests, from hunting and hiking (when it's not a couple feet of snow out there obviously) to cross-stitch. I read voraciously - I can and frequently do read 4 or so full-length books in a day (I read an average of 1500 words a minute). I write though I'm not published. I spend a fair amount of money on Shakespearean Festival tickets each year, as well as enjoying our local opera company, symphony orchestra, and the local rodeo. I'm a great cook, and I LOVE cooking for us. Holiday dinners generally take me most of the day. I can fruit and veggies, and make jams, jellies, salsa....

I'm not sure what the definition of "hardcoe gamer" actually is, but I doubt it's having unlimited time to play.... It *might* encompass failing to have any other interests, ignoring family, not noticing time passing.... I don't know....

I play video games with most of my free time (probably 600 hours in Skyrim) - I like shooting, but it gets expensive quickly - but I'm probably not "hardcoe" because I don't play on the hardest level and like exploits every now and then.

It doesn't subtract anything from the game aside from those who willingly use the glitch. Good thing that it stayed and wasn't taken out, as that would have been a waste of time when more pressing bugs need to be addressed

A bug in the code. It is like a bullet, lets say located near the middle of the thoracic vertebrae in which is left the aorta intact.

If it is not causing any damage, then leave it. If it is corruption another file, then fix it.

It still works on Xbox.

If you really want to make your main over and over again, you can do oghma infinium before the MQ. Or what I did was complete the MQ without taking any perks and only leveling up health and stamina (you can enchant to make 2 schools of magic free to cast). The best way to do this is wear heavy armor (most raw armor rating) and use a two-handed weapon (most raw damage). Then save before you get oghma infinium, and that is your permanent save to go back to when you want to create a new character.

I was orginally a console play, and the oghma infinium glitch gave me an opportunity to explore all the facets of the game without having to create a new character again and level up again. If anything, it allowed me to explore and enjoy skyrim much more. It was the poor man's version of the PC player's console and god mode.

If you don't like the glitch, then don't use it in your single player game. It's that simple. It doesn't ruin any other facet of the game, so leave it to each individual whether they want to use it or not. This game is all about personal freedom, so let people have it.

As I've said before, after 900+ hours of Skyrim, I'm entitled to cheat a little.

I am actually using this glitch/cheat for an RP purpose. Being that my guy is an evil power hungry battle mage I am RPing that he has found a way to trick Hermaeus Mora in order to obtain ultimate power. So clearly I don't think it should be taken out because that would mess up my RP.