Even so, I'd imagine there'd be a lot of older kids, like borderline 18 in there, who'd be in for serious crimes, if it's anything like here. A prison is not a place for a child to be exposed to, even if it's a kid prison.

This, or as the article linked to in the OP says

At least he isn't being held in an advlt prison anymore or at risk of the death penalty since 2005.

And that is precisely why I am astonished.

As someone else stated, it was foolish. An utterly foolish thing that had tragic consequences that could have be completely avoided had that child not been given access to a gun. A gun with live ammunition no less. There is no excuse in the world for it. Not hunting, not parental supervision, nothing. That child should never have been given a gun.

advlt crime, advlt time.

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I swear to god I don't care about the politics this is the most unfathomably ridiculously STUPID thing I've ever heard. Who in their right mind gives a 12 year old child a GUN as a gift and allows him to use it regularly?

WHY DO THEY EVEN MAKE "YOUTH SIZED" GUNS?! :banghead:

And that is precisely why I am astonished.

As someone else stated, it was foolish. An utterly foolish thing that had tragic consequences that could have be completely avoided had that child not been given access to a gun. A gun with live ammunition no less. There is no excuse in the world for it. Not hunting, not parental supervision, nothing. That child should never have been given a gun.



Because he's a [censored] child!



That's great. Still doesn't give any excuse for giving a gun to a child. You want to give him a gun? Wait until he's 18 and has a license. There is no excuse in the world.

Just like him then.

11 year olds aren't stupid. If the kid went hunting, then he knows what gun does - it kills. Be it an animal or a human, the result is the same, and the main purpose of the gun is the same.


The dead woman was in her bed, with a wound in her head. How'd the kid get in there? It's no accident. You have to plan for this kind of thing. Was the woman living with her fiance and the son (the killer)? If not, then clearly the kid had intentions to do harm - why else travel to the woman's residence with a gun.

Sure, he probably knew what he was doing. Do you think an eleven year old brain is actually capable of grasping the consequences, gravity, and reality of it, though? So he shot small animals and such, that gave him understanding of how to use firearms. I don't see where or how that imparted to him a full understanding of first degree murder.

Kids killing people, has the world really come to this?

Sure, he probably knew what he was doing. Do you think an eleven year old brain is actually capable of grasping the consequences, gravity, and reality of it, though? So he shot small animals and such, that gave him understanding of how to use firearms. I don't see where or how that imparted to him a full understanding of first degree murder.

ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law

Because the 7 o'clock news is chock-a-block full of "and it is a tragedy, so and so was murdered to day" or what about the whole Haiti thing? What parent doesn't talk to his/her kid about death by age 11? You kill it, it stops moving, it isn't alive any more. That's a consequence that isn't too hard to grasp!

Because the 7 o'clock news is chock-a-block full of "and it is a tragedy, so and so was murdered to day" or what about the whole Haiti thing? What parent doesn't talk to his/her kid about death by age 11? You kill it, it stops moving, it isn't alive any more. That's a consequence that isn't too hard to grasp!

That's easy to say when you're a fully grown advlt. For a young kid the concept of death being forever can be as foreign as differential calculus.

So you suggest a 12 year old kid gets thrown in jail with lots of 20 plus year old criminals who will do god knows what to him? Do you even know what happened besides what you read in some online news article? If you have any experience with kids at all, you'll know a 12 year old is nowhere near mentally developed enough to be considered an advlt, and it's unfair to judge them by the same standard.

I'm not saying don't punish them, but there are other options, especially for one so young. Considering a lot of his mental developement has still to take place, he could still be successfully rehabilitated. Or we could go your route and just ''let him develop into a hardened criminal because he's going to do it anyway''.

Anyway, neither of us are psychologists or judges, so it's not our place to decide.

It's the Federal REFORM System, not the Federal PUNISHMENT System. If he didn't know what he was doing, than why should he be punished? he obviously won't do it again.

ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law

Because the 7 o'clock news is chock-a-block full of "and it is a tragedy, so and so was murdered to day" or what about the whole Haiti thing? What parent doesn't talk to his/her kid about death by age 11? You kill it, it stops moving, it isn't alive any more. That's a consequence that isn't too hard to grasp!

What in the world would make people think death isn't permanent? Lazarus was sort of a one-time thing thousands of years ago. We don't have people dying only for a little time, and then waking up all happy and fine and back to normal.

What in the world would make people think death isn't permanent? Lazarus was sort of a one-time thing thousands of years ago. We don't have people dying only for a little time, and then waking up all happy and fine and back to normal.

I think the problem is that the person isn't mentally capable of thinking not to do it. He sure can grasp the concept of murder but can he think that he shouldn't? And at that age he doesn't have the experience to determine what is right or wrong. So if something goes as horribly awry as murdering someone then there's a problem in the way he's raised.

Yes but there's a difference between a 12 year old kid who possibly accidentally shot someone with a gun he shouldn't have had, and a 17 year old who was just sent to that detention centre for stabbing and robbing an old woman or something. If you can't make the distinction between those two sorts of people, then there is something wrong with you (plural).

Sure, he probably knew what he was doing. Do you think an eleven year old brain is actually capable of grasping the consequences, gravity, and reality of it, though? So he shot small animals and such, that gave him understanding of how to use firearms. I don't see where or how that imparted to him a full understanding of first degree murder.

Umm killing an 8 month pregnant woman is pretty damn close to stabbing and robbing an old woman, this was not an accident, he knew what a gun did. At the end of the day they are both murderers (this kid is worse he killed the baby when he killed the woman).


Umm he knows the gun kills things, he knows killing people = murder, put 2 + 2 together and you get shooting ssomeone is bad.