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I swear to god I don't care about the politics this is the most unfathomably ridiculously STUPID thing I've ever heard. Who in their right mind gives a 12 year old child a GUN as a gift and allows him to use it regularly?

WHY DO THEY EVEN MAKE "YOUTH SIZED" GUNS?! :banghead:

Never too young to be a murderer. If he really did kill her, he deserves to go to jail. I don't care that he's a young kid who may not have known what he was doing, he pulled the trigger and now he has to face the consequences. Assuming he's guilty, of course.

Advance caution against any discussion that may be considered political or vicious.

This thread is on the shortest of leashes.

I can't even comprehend how an 11-year old can be driven to violence.

advlt crime, advlt time.

Got it Dogsbody.

And this is the biggest problem. It's a shame.

I would argue that unless he's getting a life sentence, all you're doing is creating a hardened criminal who's going to do a lot more damage once he gets out of prison.

Then you haven't been around children very often. To put it bluntly, little kids can be vicious animals; they're often still developing out of "the universe revolves around me" and "other people don't matter" phases, and have poor restraint and common sense. I've seen many playground instances where rocks and fists hurled at someone different would have just as quickly been bullets if anyone had been foolish enough to give them guns.

Is it? He murdered a pregnant woman in cold blood. You think he deserves anything less than life in prison?

If it where legal and I would for some reason give my kid(s) a gun I wouldn't let them keep it around and lock it in with the only key and combination on my key ring in my pocket and brain

So what would you suggest? Any amount of jail time is going to screw him up even more. It's either throw a murderer in jail and let him develop the psyche he would have developed anyway, or let him go free because his chubby cheeks and short stature fooled you into thinking he was innocent.



Yep. Humans, no matter their age, have the ability to murder. Well, maybe not toddlers.

Agreed. If you are able enough to commit the crime, then you know the consequences.

What's more, he was trained to use the gun and had experience with hunting. He knew it was a device for killing things. This child is not an innocent.

Besides that much, how do you think a person would "develop" as they grew older knowing that they had murdered a pregnant woman as a child? You think that's going to produce a normal functioning human being?

An eleven year old? Seriously?

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Next time you see 2 babies, see how they act together. It's always a competition, always a struggle and they do get very vicious.

Children dont murder people, so he is not a child, charge him as an advlt.

IF he is guilty, this is America after all innocent until proven otherwise, the bottom line is he irreparably screwed his life up and destroyed the lives of others. There is no good solution or punishment one way or another.

Could not have said it better. It rhymes!

Somehow I think the father should be given some kind of punishment as well. "Reckless armament of a minor" has a nice ring to it. :stare:

That's like saying "WHY DO THEY EVEN MAKE "CHILD SIZED FORKS AND KNIVES?!"" So children can use them, obviously- of course they can be dangerous. If a child is taught how to properly use the tools and good behavior and usage is modeled with the tools, there's no reason not to. It is the guardian's responsibility to ensure that the guns are being used properly and only in the right situations. Hunting is a perfectly fine way to spend time with your children. Some people like to give their child a chance to actually hunt instead of "watching daddy hunt." As long as the proper safety and usage guidelines are taught and strictly enforced, it is fine. I grew up in a backwoods, country area and children all around had guns and went hunting. Never did we hear about such a case because they were taught how and when to use them. The guns were properly locked away when not in use. It's stupid to ban things because one parent is careless.

I would say that is not at all a fact. Being able to fire a gun is something a 6 year-old could do, but I'm fairly certain nobody would argue in favour of the point that a person of that age would be able to perceive the consequences of doing so to any extent.

This is a prime example of why we have laws in the first place; so that irrational and flawed assessments of a situation will not be grounds for legal action. Just throwing the kid in a cell and throwing away the key may be an easy enough idea to think up, doing so completely ignores any circumstances surrounding the whole thing, which is the thin end of the wedge as far as law enforcement goes.

He'll just get a slap on the wrist. Now if he instructed the boy to do this then this will be a different story.